County asked to stop motocross track


3/10/2010

By DAVID CLOUSTON

Salina Journal

The majority of speakers addressing Saline County commissioners Tuesday night did not want to see a motocross track approved for the Prairie Harbor Golf Course west of Salina, and they had multiple reasons why.

Their homes and property would suffer from the extra noise from the motorcycles and ATVs, traffic on Interstate Highway 70 adjacent to the course would be put at risk from dust raised, and the added traffic to and from the facility could be hazardous to children attending nearby Ell-Saline Elementary School, just south on Halstead Road.

Richard Rassmusen, 1927 N. Halstead, told commissioners it doesn’t make sense that because a group of motocross enthusiasts want the track, that their desires should carry more weight than him and other homeowners in the area who are strongly opposed.

“Does that condemn me to the rest of my life owning that house that I can’t go outside because of the noise?” Rassmusen asked. “They’re not going to tell me I’m not going to hear the noise.”

Tuesday night’s hearing at the City-County Building, which drew a standing-room only crowd in the commission meeting room, was to receive comments regarding an appeal of a decision by the county’s Planning and Zoning Commission to grant a conditional use permit for the motocross track to operate, with race events starting in May.

Decision in early April

County commissioners took all of Tuesday’s public comments and supporting documents under advisement. They plan to review the information and announce their decision on the appeal at their April 6 meeting.

The planning commission had two public hearings on the permit request earlier this year before voting 5-2, with one abstention, in favor of a motion to approve the request.

The 21-acre facility would change its name to Prairie Harbor Recreation if the permit is approved. Activities there would include motocross riding and racing, mountain biking, all-terrain vehicle riding and similar events. The facility would be operated by Andrew Hammond, whose grandparents, Gary and Mary Gleason, own the property at 2002 N. Halstead, adjacent to and south of I-70.

In order to overturn the recommendation by the planning commission, county commissioners would have to vote unanimously against giving the facility a conditional use permit. To uphold the planning commission’s recommendation takes only a majority vote.

Track opponents speaking Tuesday included Salina attorney Bob Wasko, who represented a group of county residents, all wearing red shirts.

No noise ordinance

Wasko noted that the county has no noise ordinance. Yet it does have a provision concerning wind turbine farms that mandates that people living within 1,500 feet of a turbine have to give their consent for the turbine to be installed. The ordinance also restricts the noise exposure from turbines at no more than 60 decibels for residential property owners living near the facility, and 65 decibels in commercial zones. Local ordinances in other states have limited the noise from motocross tracks to an 80 decibel limit.

“Why would we permit a motocross, which is a recreational facility, to have less standards than a commercial entity, which produces energy that everybody in this county uses?” Wasko asked commissioners.

Told not to be there

Gary Gleason told commissioners that more supporters of the track would have attended the meeting in greater numbers, but he told some not to attend so that the commission could hear from others on the issue.

The track schedule would allow it to operate in following years from March to November. The facility would be open every Saturday, most Wednesdays and 13 Sundays. Saturdays would be either open to the public for off-road recreation or to members of racing groups for practice before a Sunday race event.

Wednesday activities would alternate between mountain bike riding and remote-controlled cars, or off-road recreation, including ATVs and go-carts.

The facility would be closed during December, January and February.

Smolan resident Clint O’Farrell spoke in support of the facility, saying his family would welcome the chance to have a track closer to home to attend. The family rides motocross on weekends at other tracks statewide.

Aiding child abuductors

O’Farrell also responded to remarks earlier by Ell-Saline Superintendent Jerry Minneman. Minneman told commissioners that the crowds drawn to the facility might entice a would-be child abductor to blend in and try to target a child at the school.

“I’ve got two and that’s really all I want right now,” O’Farrell said, to the accompaniment of a few light chuckles. “That one gets me.”

Jon Richards, 2404 N. Halstead, said he spoke for 21 of 24 property owners living within the 1,500 feet notification area of the Prairie Harbor property. He said the noise from the motorcycles on the track would not be infrequent or occasional. There would also be a public address system at the facility, which he said would have to be louder than the motorcycles, to be heard by spectators.

n Reporter David Clouston can be reached at 822-1403 or by e-mail at [email protected]





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says….
Personally I dont know why you guys would want to build a motorcross track right off I-70 when you can have your own track at teh Salina Speedway.. Plus Im standing up for Mr. Minneman because he does have a good point. Plus dont forget about the no child left behind. If I lived inteh city limits of salina I would vote NO because I believe you can build it somewhere else.. SO VOTE NO FOR THE TRACK!!!!!
3/12/2010


From the Big City says….
I live far away in a metro city of two million people and we have never seen any need for a motocross track where kids can get crippled, paralyzed, or killed. I think Salinans should be more concerned about bringing steady employment to your city the way Hutchinson did with the German manufacturer of wind turbines. You motocross fans have been breathing way too much carbon monoxide.
3/12/2010
says….
Saline County residents seem to have a huge problem with change, every time someone makes an attempt to better the area, add more revenue and give younger people more to do then commit crimes idiots seem to come out in full force to oppose it. 3 days a week doesn’t seem like that big of a deal, I live near central high, you don’t hear me complaining on game days. get over yourselves.
3/12/2010
I’m just saying….. says….
So the noise and dust is ok for the people living around the old racetrack but you’re to good to have that in your neighborhood? Wow! What snobs live in that area.
The superintendant needs to be educated.
Good Luck with your proposal.

3/12/2010
get a clue says….
I want to respond to the person who said he guarantees the neighbors will be at this track every weekend. I assure you we will not. We have small children and like to spend time with each other at home, playing outside. We do not have extra money for hobbies such as this. We put our money in our children, their education, improvements in our property. A lot of good that will do to increase value of our property with this racetrack. We will NOT be able to enjoy being outside because of the noise and dust. And to those who talked about the rodeo at the fair grounds…it has been there as long as the houses. We are here the racetrack is not, why should we have to put up with that? And Jumping Joe’s does not have a house or houses across the street and right next door. Oh and the grain elevators have filters that have to be cleaned and replaced often and there is very little dust from them. If you live on a dirt road, and a car drives by it creates a lot of dust…imagine these motorbikes! So much dust! Those who say they don’t, do you really think we are buying that. As far as creating revenue, it may create some, but you will be going back home to sleep and eat there, so that is going to be minimal. And people are talking about financial difficulties, you should be spending money on your bills and kids education not on hobbies. It amazes me that some don’t own a house or plan for the future but won’t give up their hobbies, because it is all about having fun. Don’t complain about us who buy homes and try to improve our lives and childrens’ lives because we don’t agree with your hobby. You can have your hobby, just not near us. It is a hobby, not a home, a child, or a job…21 out 24 homes directly impacted don’t agree with this racetrack. BUILD IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!
3/12/2010
noise is an issue! says….
Just a comment about the noise. You people really think there vill be no noise? Are you kidding. Cars driving on I-70 have mufflers and are not racing!! I think that it is funny that a bunch of people want to have this track outside of town so they can visit it, but not live by it. Those of us who live by don’t want it. We matter! WE DON’T WANT THE NOISE. And one more thing. Mr. Hammond says he will only open the track at 4pm on weekdays. I suggest you come out there at 4pm and try to get by the school. Patrons are picking up children and buses are going in and out of the parking lot. It is already difficult the added traffic will make it worse. This area has been a home to the school, many homeowners, and wildlife for many many years. Go build your track elsewhere PLEASE!
3/12/2010
REALLY!? says….
Really…wear earplugs in our houses??? Even our babies?? Do you wear earplugs in your house. Just because you want to justify your hobby…we live here many of us have been here 15 years or more. We bought our houses here because of the quiet. You can tell us that we just have to deal because we don’t like this sport. You can go elsewhere. NOT IN OUR BACK OR FRONT YARD!! And it’s not just that. There are many criteria this racetrack does not meet. Just because you wnat it doesn’t mean it is going to happen. Talk about selfish. This is our homes where we LIVE and raise our families, not a hobby. If all you who want this racetrack in, come to each of the surrounding houses and make us an offer (what our house are appraised at)…I think you would be surprised at the values of our house. They will decrease in value if this track goes in. It is proven at other tracks this is what happens. We will expect you to purchase our homes before the decrease in value! Then you can have it in your backyard and be happy. We are not happy. Why is that so hard to understand. You want to come and go as you please. This is not what we want…and we have been here for years. And you think Ell-Saline people are mean…give me a break. They are people standing up for their homes, children and community. You just can’t take the truth. You are like spoiled children who want the shiny toy and will hurt others in the process to get it. You don’t care about the people or wildlife or community that you are trying to invade. If you were part of the Ell-Saline community you would know how awesome these people are. How they help each other and care for each other. We are standing up for what is right. And we are standing together!
3/12/2010
says….
wake up Salina,motorcross has become a family sport and especially enjoyable to watch someone you know compete with their friends, cousins and other kids they don’t even know. These kids have such respect for one another on and off the track,I tell you it makes a parent & grandparent proud to watch!!! So why don’t you buy some earplugs or spend some of your prestigous money to better insulate your house from noise, Oh and while you’re at it welcome to 2010 and GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!
3/12/2010
We need the revenue! says….
The Salina Speedway would be an excellent viable solution. Salina businesses’ could revitalize this property into a first class, multifunctional facility which could possibly surpass the facility in Minneapolis. Business should be falling over themselves to get involved in this. Food and beverage companies, tire companies, parts and aftermarket products, riding gear, fuel and lube, vehicle manufacturers, etc. These companies could lock themselves into a cash cow as the exclusive provider of a product or service. Keep in mind the visitors will also be mingling in our community and spending dollars and consequently helping to pick up the tab on other community projects; i.e. The Water Park. All of this activity generates tax dollars and reinvestment in the community. In turn, this reciprocates into drawing in outside corporations and businesses to setup shop and create more jobs; the cycle of capitalism keeps thriving. Salinian’s have some great ideas. Don’t close the door on these investors and work with them. Foremost, listen, respect and address the resident’s concerns no matter how outlandish. Okay, maybe not fears of (alien) abductions of children from the Salina Speedway.
3/11/2010
Jim says….
WOW, everyone seems to now talk restrictions, restrictions. If it passes make him race on certain days, make little noise, no dust, stay away from the school… I do not agree. The track is a recreation area but it is more importantly a business. Mr Hammonds needs to be given the freedom to run it as such. The County does not dictate how many trucks drive to the grain elevator, how many jake brakes rattle the windows from the interstate or how many guns are fired at the firing range. I do not really think a few motorcycles can compete with the noise that is already present. If I was looking for land this would be a very good choice. The noise level already seems to be very high. If these neighbors to Prairie harbor were looking for that PEACEFUL place in the country why did they choose to live here? The speedway is a terrible place for a track. That track has always stuggled to stay in business since it started….sorry but terrible location. The location Mr. Hammond has chosen will have I-70 access that will help him greatly in his venture. He has chosen his place of business, the family already owns the land. The is the perfect business decision, LET HIM RACE WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. ALLOW THE TRACK TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
3/11/2010
racing family says….
As a person who was practictally born on a motorcycle…..we have been involved with mx racing for a very very long time. My dad raced when i was a small child and i enjoyed it very much. Then i married a guy who also liked to ride and then our sone also became a racer. We have attended professional races in las vegas as well as texas. Our son traveled the race circuit racing as well from the 3rd grade on. He started riding when he was around 5 yrs old. I have never been to any sport that has more positive sportsmanship then the races. My son has played all kinds of sports along with his racing and the racing family is “truer” to their sport and the families as well and the rider. We always attended the races as a family and was always an all day event and sometimes even having to stay the night which involved camping and hanging with all the racers and their families. I wished that this would have taken place earlier when we were very active in the racing. This is one of the safest sports and also the strictest since if the rules are not followed there are consquences. I miss the family times that we had. As for the dirt, they water the track on a regular basis during the riding times and the property and track is always maintained. We always traveled to wichita, topeka and out west even to colorado to ride because there isn’t anything close. Also, this is a very expensive hobby so all that participate are very serious about what they do. As for the most of the riders they are very small children around the age of 3 and up to 20’s. then of course the adults as well. Everybody takes care of each other in this sport. I am from this “area” and am appalled at some of the remarks that they are coming up with and the sad thing is that most of these people know that we are a “racing” family……it could be anybody from a teacher to a fireman to a paramedic and of course their families. Good luck to Andy on this project and when you do come up with a date and time for the demo please post it for all to see so we can come and enjoy…..o 1 more thing…..there are usually only about 10 to 15 bikes going at 1 time so 30 bikes would be exaggerating and that wouldn’t be a fair demo…….
3/11/2010
Gary says….
I, my brothers,sisters,and children attended or graudated from Brookville.I’ve lived in Salina, Bavaria, Hedville and the surronding area my entire life. The idea of a motocross hasn’t set well here. I know most of the people in this area and they are really good and honest people,and friends (maybe). I know some people say things(lips get faster the brain) that were not meant.Ive had a good conversation with several neighbors, and person to person it was a very good conversation. This has been a big dream of Andys for a long time, and he has really worked hard for it,so I back him. and also, seeing so many people needing something like this, I feel good about being a part of it. The county commissioners have a hard decision to make. Hopefully we can still be neighbors and friends after April. Im still a cardinal.
3/11/2010
Happiness is a Choice says….
I agree with “businessman”, and I live within 4 miles of the proposed site. Now that I’ve read these comments, I’ll be cheering for Mr. Hammond. And “moe”, I completely agree with your assessment of Mr. Minneman’s statement regarding potential risk to schoolchildren. I’d like to believe Mr. Minneman was simply grasping at straws to come up with something negative to say, and not actually telling the community that their children can’t be kept safe while in school.
3/11/2010
we matter! says….
This racetrack is not a benefit to the residents that live by it!! Those of you who chose it as entertainment can do so when you want. If one weekend you chose not to go to the racetrack, you can. We who live in this area are going to have to deal with the noise, dust, trash and traffice..we won’t have a choice. We won’t have a weekend off for 9 months. Our property value will decrease. It is a fact. Why is that those in support of this can justify their reasoning, but it doesn’t make sense. Where are all the trucks, trailers, and cars going to park? At the school or on the dirt roads in front of neighboring homes. Then are you going to walk or drive the bikes to the racetrack? This location is not good for this purpose. Find a more remote location or use the old racetrack on Burma road. You do not need to impose on the grade school or the residents that live in this area. We pay property tax, we vote, we live in this area. Why are we not as important as you who want this entertainment? We chose to live in the country. It would have been different if this track was here and we moved in, but that is not the case. The highway patrol shooting range was here. And several times a year we tolerate the troopers qualifing. And yes we can hear the shooting in the house, even when the TV is on! We know their purpose is to be qualified to protect and serve you, me and our families. The range benefits society as a whole. This racetrack does not! I see no benefit for the neighbors, especially when 21 out of 24 directly impacted by this do not want it. It should not happen here. You want to come out in this area to race, but then you go home. You don’t want it in your backyard. Well neither do we!! If you who want this so bad to happen, go to the surrounding neighbors and offer them what the county has their houses appraised at and move in! Then you won’t have to worry about parking and bathrooms. Because if you think that this racetrack is going to have accomadations you are wrong. yes they might have johnny on the jobs…yea more display to increase property value. They have 2 wells to water the track so it is said, but will the wells be able to pump what is needed. Just because Mr. Gleason said there are wells on the property doesn’t mean that they will pump what is needed. I hope these commissioners will realize that this is bad for the community and vote against this!
3/11/2010
#810 racer says….
Andy, we are all so happy this track may be a possibility. We’ve known you for a long time and are very proud of you. Our family has been involved for over 10 years and enjoy every minute of it. The biggest complaint we have ever had was every year we go to the city/county building and do our duty and pay our personal property taxes on our dirtbikes and motocross trailer. BUT, where is that money going considering we can’t ride our bikes in Saline County? We are for it!!
3/11/2010
says….
I cannot believe how hateful this ell-saline group of people are…I pray that our county commissioners are reading these..and that they make the smart decision to allow this trACK. THESE PEOPLE ARE SELFISH…AND HATEFUL AND ARE USED TO GETTING THEIR WAY!!!
3/11/2010
businessman says….
The neighbors need to get over themselves. Dust pollution? Child abductors? Really? At least come up with a buyable excuse. After such comments, I now support the track.
3/11/2010
Commend Andrew Hammond says….
Mr. Hammond- I would like to thank you for your positive comment on here. It shows me that you are the one who is doing what it takes to act like a civilized human being! And yes, I personally know many of your “neighbors”, and I am shocked at how they are behaving. I do not live far from your location on Halstead and I am very hopeful that the commissioners see that this is very beneficial to the county! If your neighbors felt that there is no room for growth in their area, then most of them do not remember that they “migrated” there from town. I am pretty sure that they were not met with protests about moving out here. Thanks again for being the stand up person in this heated debate.
3/11/2010
Back 2 Skool 4U says….
“I what a motocross” needs to take remedial English before he/she breathes any more carbon monoxide fumes at dirt track car races! The run-on sentences, spelling, and grammar were horrendous!
3/11/2010
smart cookie says….
To “I what a motocross” Where did you learn to type? or spell? or form sentences?

3/11/2010
what is wrong with some of these folks says….
wow…simply wow. There are so many uninformed comments on here it is amazing. I have been to many many motor X tracks and cant remember any that created the dust some are talking about. What is wrong with you people? kids die driving drunk all the time there is nothing for them to do in Saline county and you can’t be ok with such a family oriented sport coming to your area? wow…just wow
3/11/2010
i what a motocross says….
ok people this why salina saline county is going no place we what all these thing to do but u half to suport them me i would love to see motocross as i would love to see truck run off road raceing an some good old dirttrack race in salina , saline county but these thing have been here an now gone the people of salina an other city have suport these place but u still have those that have the people an money to stop this or drag this guy in front of the county tell he get tired of it an just abound it come people we have lost millones to this kind of tackets of a small goruop of people salina an salina county used have the big solo race here now they are in topika we used have drag race now that gone an drit track but those that contral it did not what to keep the place up so it’s gone to an tes in the 70 80′ their was a place like this it was cycle acres an they held dirt bike race an 3/4 quirter migets moto cross but it fill with rock an broken concret now so are we going to let this go by before it gets going or u going to let this county an city grow !
3/11/2010
G-regulator says….
If it is the rare moment that you have nice enough day to ride in Salina, what the heck would these people be doing sitting at home anyway? get a life people.
3/11/2010
smart cookie says….
what about the old salina speedway??
3/11/2010
says….
People, this is Andrew Hammond and I feel awful for all the stress I have imposed on my family, saline county planning and zoning, and even the concerned neighboring residents. The negativity generated by this has been overwhelming and has no business being associated with what I’m trying to do. I would also like to stand up for Saline county because I have heard several negative statements about them. They have been professional through this whole process and truly do encourage growth of the community. unfortunately concerned neighbors have a lot of time and emotion invested in not making this happen and it is personal for them. Who would of thought all this because of some extra noise by the interstate, a shooting range, and one of the largest grain elevators in Kansas which frequently gets semi and train traffic? I truly do appreciate all the positive support we’ve received from the off road community. You guys are great and hopefully through this we can help shine a light on what off road recreation is all about. Family, Fun, And memories. Let’s hope that the county commissioners will agree that this facility is a good fit for the location and should be tolerable given my very restricted hours of operation. And just to put a couple minds at rest, given the opportunity my Wednesday open ride days will now open at 4 pm during school months to better accommodate the school. And when I’m up here rubbin elbows with my GREAT neighbors by my great deal of a house I bought on hilldale my privately owned facility on halstead will be completely closed to the public. In short if i’m not there nobody will be! LIVE AND LET LIVE!
3/11/2010
HECKER says….
My grandpa had 7 kids in Salina, 1 remains. 4 kids in my family, 1 remains. I attended “happy corner” just down the road, born and raised Saline Co. after years of trying to justify starting a business in Salina, I couldn’t. Not only for a lack of growth, but what do you do with the money once you have it? I bet if you combined Off-road vehicles, mountain bikes, and rc-cars in Salina collecting dust in a garage, you would come up with more than 20,000, with NO public MTB trails, NO public R/C track, NO off road recreational facility. All of these people complaining are simply putting their selfesh imaginary “quiet lives by intersate, grain elevators, and a shooting range” in the way of something hundreds of thousands of people may gain from down the road. PLAIN SELFESH!You people should be ASHAMED. I wonder how may siblings these complainers still have in Salina? Wonder if they ever miss them while they are living in their dreamy “quiet” country homes? Last week I went to an MX track w/in 30 minutes, business is booming, and I can’t count the amount of fun things I can do every day……in CENTRAL TX. Keep ignoring some of the reasons you are a leader in meth. and high school graduates dissappearing and never coming back. Saline county is full of good and bad people it is too bad Mr. Hammond landed by the bad ones. Don’t let ’em get you down Mr. Hammond. Whether you win or not, a majority of the people of Salina, and Saline county appreciate your effort. PS. Jerry Minnemum, you are a complete idiot, you make me ashamed to be an alumni and you make whomever put you in that position look even more stupid. Hows that enrollment again? Oh yeah my 1998 graduating class from the same school was bigger! Hmmm.
3/11/2010
Super What?? says….
The Ell-Saline Super sure sounds like an out of touch person. If they think perps are hanging out at moto-cross tracks. That is about the lamest reason I have ever heard of. Next thing they will want the aireoplanes overhead silenced. I don’t think there is much they can do legally if the noise is during the day.
3/11/2010
pull your head out says….
Some of you, such as “leve” simply aren’t smart enough to know what projects are the county’s, and which are the city’s. This proposed track doesn’t have anything to do with the city. It is a county issue.
3/11/2010
S says….
If the residents are so worried about the track then why don’t they buy the land from hammond so he can buy land somewhere else to build the track. Its his land I beleive he has the right to do whatever he wants with it.
3/11/2010
leve says….
mr. hammond from what i can tell all you need to do is tell them that you are going to put a bunch of leaning light poles that are different colors and some wierd green metal art work up and they will give u millions to put in a track try it, it has worked before and if that doesn’t work im sure that the minneapolis race way would be glad to help put those tax dollars in ottawa county just like they did with the other dirt track salina had
also change is not mandatory and neither is survival

3/11/2010
concerned says….
I’ve never seen so many comments! I think the property would be better used for something else…like maybe a boxing ring so all the locals can beat each other up over what to do and where to do it. Makes about as much sense as some of the other comments!
3/11/2010
kes says….
I attended the motocross meeting last night and as a lifelong resident of Salina, i was appalled at the behavior of the so called “red shirts”! They were told to have one spokesperson..and they ended up with 4! I commend Mr. Hammond for all of his work he has done to make this track a possibility. We have been involved with motocross for the past couple of years and I’ve never seen such a great wholesome family sport ever….it is one big family who is there for each other…We cook out, we host birthday parties with our childrens birthdays, we support each others kids….and most of all we have great family time….As far as the noise…dirt and dust….are you serious? obviously none of you red shirts have done your homework because you haven’t a clue what a motocross track is all about. On a given Motocross weekend…(in Wichita, Winfield, Topeka, Missouri,or Oklahoma) I spend at least 300.00 in there community and that is cutting it short…hotel expenses, meals, gas and maybe buying parts at the local motocross shop…
This would be great for the community and we need the GROWTH! I have faith in our fellow commissioners…I was very impressed how they handled the meeting! Hats off to all of you!!!

3/11/2010
Real Definition of SALINA says….
SALINA – Someone Always Loses Intensely Never Advancing
3/11/2010
says….
Put the homeowners FIRST on this decision. Sorry Motocross find another location. Keep the PEACE at home!
3/10/2010
says….
thank you for making my decision for me i have three kids that would love two see a moto cross track come to this old age town tennessee he we come by salina
3/10/2010
Please prove us wrong. says….
Mr. Hammond I will directly address this to you. At the meeting Tuesday night the Commissioners stated they would like to visit the proposed area. Somebody on this message board recommended that you get some of your friends to ride around and demonstrate to the neighbors how enjoyable motocross is. I would welcome this Mr. Hammond. Why don’t you get 30 of your motocross riders, inform the Commissioners on their scheduled visit to your facility you and your riders will demonstrate to them not only how enjoyable it is, but how the noise will not be a factor to the area. Run the 30 bikes at full throttle for 30 minutes for a good demonstration. To all the motocross riders please contact Mr. Hammond to volunteer your bike for this demonstration. I am sure all of the neighbors would welcome the opportunity to have their minds put to rest the about the noise factor that so many of you elude to is simply in our minds.
3/10/2010
Salina native says….
In my current city, they approved a conditional use permit for 1/4 mile dirt track in the city limits about 6 years ago. I live 2.5 miles away and the sound is louder than a Harley revving its engine. I have nothing against motorsports, but there is a reason many of these facilities are typically distant from residential areas. I feel for the residents on this one.
3/10/2010
Pro Motocross says….
To Concerned Parent… If you’ll read my post a second time, you’ll see that I said, ” I don’t think the people that neighbor the land where this track could be built should have to deal with the noise if they don’t want to. A change in location for the track may be a good solution.” If there’s a better location to put the track, let’s look at that. I agree that you and your children deserve the peace and quiet that the country affords you, but don’t just close the book on the track and say “no”.
3/10/2010
My 3 cents says….
Maybe if the 4wheelers had someplace legal to go they would quit tearing up the county roads, I live east of Ohio and Crawford and could hear the races from the speedway when they were in session. Also the old Speedway stands and facilities are in such poor shape that I wouldn’t want to race out there. Thats why everyone is going to Minneapolis to race now.
3/10/2010
within distance says….
to the person who suggested blocking the noise with a television; what do you recommend if I want to read?
The red line under a word means it is misspelled.

3/10/2010
concerned says….
I understand? They are going to have remote airplanes? How many cars are going to have wrecks from this?They need this stopped.
3/10/2010
says….
My grandkids ride motorcross and it is very respectable and family geared. We travel all over for them to ride and compete. Pretty amazing Salina doesn,t want a track here. We might just generate a little revenue. These kids and adults are very talented and are great what they do. I don,t know where child abduction comes from, that comment makes no sense, what is he thinking, maybe he ought to look at himself. Property values shouldn,t change it might just help. Lets get our minds open and lets grow a little bit, all the other towns love to have us, motels, restaurants, gas stations, etc. makes sense, its a great sport.
3/10/2010
says….
Ok, I can kind of understand the issue of the added noise, but 1) most people hardly ever go outside anymore, so you can block out the noise with the TV 2) After a while you won’t even notice it anymore. The rest of the complaints are just plain stupid. The whole “chid abductor could blend into the crowd” is rediculous. Would a person even think twice about building a church or a park next to a school because of the possibilites of child abductors blending into the crowd? Wednesday is the only day it is open during the school week, and if they waited to open the track that day until the kids got out of school, problem solved. And I really doubt dust would be much of a problem, it would have to be really windy not to mention in the right direction for it to even slightly affect the trafic on I70. It seems to me that a lot of people in this area just like to complain about what ever they can and hate change.
3/10/2010
says….
I understand the people who are concerned about the noise. Although, it’s obvious that the people who are so worried about the noise, dust, etc. apparently have not been to a motocross race. It’s fear of the unknown for them, in a sense. Salina is close-minded, that’s no secret, and 90% of this city can’t stand change, and can’t stand to see the city grow by any means. Motocross races are not nearly as loud or disturbing as you all think. Instead of assuming all of these things, why don’t you talk to Mr.Hammond, get some of them to ride around and you’ll soon learn that it’s enjoyable, and I gurantee that if this track is passed, the majority of the neighbors that have caused such an uproar about it will be attending every race held at Prairie Harbor. Another point I’d like to make is the fact that Salina doesn’t have anything for kids to do in this town, period. Motocross is a positive sport, and most of all it’s a family oriented sport. Someone mentioned fights being started at the races. Have you not ever been to a local basketball, baseball, or football game? I’ve witnessed PLENTY of fights at all of those events, and the majority of those were caused by the parents when something didn’t go THEIR way. All I’m saying is give it a chance.
-Also keep in mind that on practice days, there most likely wouldn’t be as many riders as there would be on a raceday. There is ONE practice day during the week. Riders have a lot more respect than anyone is giving them credit for. They know the school is within close distance and Mr.Hammond is being more than generious with everyone living in the neighborhood to try & work something out. I think the neighbors should appreciate the fact that he’s trying to get children involved and also trying to to gain the support of the families surrounding the track. Let’s keep in mind that he could build a track regardless to what any of you say… in the same area & have just as many riders there everyday if he wanted to… but instead he isn’t… he’s trying to make everyone happy and trying to accomadate everyone. And let’s not forgot that it isn’t JUST motocross, he’s also having other activities at prairie harbor.
All I ask is that the neighbor’s think about something other than the noise. Think about the positive influence this would have on the whole community, the potential this has, and most of all, the fact that will give our younger generations something to enjoy & grow at.

3/10/2010
come on people says….
Salina will be Salina just like it has for the past several years…. just a spot on the map with a few people yelling let’s get to 50,000 and we will get money,more people, more art, more low income houses, and on and on. I live in south Salina and not close to the airport, but deal with all of the military jets at 500 feet from the ground, however, I am happy the people who fly them and their support people are in Salina buying gas, meals, and shopping.
With all of the backwards thinking that goes on in Salina/Saline County, we will never be more than happiness in the rear view mirror.

3/10/2010
concerned parent says….
Pro Motocross I appreciate your open view on the issue. But let me ask you this. You stated the kids deserve it(motocross location). I worked hard all my life to be able to provide my family a home to which they can enjoy, as I am sure many people have. I bought my home and moved out to the area in question a few years ago for the relative peace that living in the country can provide. To give my children the ability to play in an open setting without the worry of some of the violence and drugs that were not so prevalent in Salina 20 or 30 years ago. Please do not associate this with me saying the motocross riders are a part of this concern, because I will agree that motocross is a family environment with good qualities for kids. However, are my kids any less deserving of a place to have where they can call their own. The same kids that you speak of that would enjoy a motocross track will unfortunately ruin the area that my kids call home.
3/10/2010
don’t make it personal says….
Nobody is attacking the motocross community. I have attended motocross events, and will agree it is a family atmosphere. I attended the meeting last night as well, and I believe I heard more than once by the people against the Motocross Track that they think Mr. Hammond has every intention of running a fine track. The issue is the noise and the negative impact that it will have on the already existing residential area. Many people want to make this about they don’t want this in their back yard. But who would want this other than a motocross enthusiast. The “red shirts” are saying this a poor choice of locations for this type of facility, and are asking the Commissioners to have Mr. Hammond find a better suited location within Saline County for his dream.
3/10/2010
says….
To the person who wrote People are getting ridiculous!! Both the Tri-Rivers Fair and Rodeo and the Air show only takes place once a year for just a few days. The waterpark was voted in by the people of Salina, and Jumping Joe’s is in a commercial area with no grade schools near by. The airport provides what everybody in todays world view as a necessity. And as far as Cargill elevator and the other Saline County elevators they provide a necessary function for food production that feed literally thousands of people. And lest you forget Salina is an agricultural community. So please continue, because you haven’t even come close to a comparison to the noise that will be generated by this facility, in a comparable location, for the duration in hours, up to 36 hours a week, and days, as many as 3 days a week for 40 weeks. So again, please continue.
3/10/2010
says….
I don’t understand the need for character assassination.
I moved out here 22 years ago for the quiet my home affords me.
We have collected the measurements, I 70 is not comparable to a 4 stroke engine.
I ride a 650 Savage, and I respect your right to have an opinion. But I live here, Mr Hammond does not.
Kate Richards
2404 N Halstead Rd

3/10/2010
dean says….
Ive seen the property, and not only racing I cant wait to walk the trails in the summer mornings. I hope that can still happen.
3/10/2010
moe says….
Shame on you, Jerry Minneman! Children attending your school should be safe and accounted for at ALL times! How dare you imply that if a motocross facility goes in across the street from your school, the safety and welfare of students will be compromised. If I were a parent of one of your students I would be outraged at your thoughtless and irresposible statement. You owe the citizens of this community an apology!
3/10/2010
bike enthusiast says….
There may be 150 bikes there on a race day. But there won’t be anywhere NEAR 150 bikes racing at the same time! You could hear the Salina Speedway from the middle of town. It won’t be near as loud as that! Or any worse than a Harley with straight pipes.
3/10/2010
OIC says….
Noise wasn’t a problem when the race track on Burma Rd. was operating.
Now it’s a case of NIMBY.
This sounds like a good alternative for the kids in Salina.
The school superintendant sounds ridiculous in his statement about attracting child predators.

3/10/2010
JK says….
Its amazing to me just how ignorant people can be. Take for example the comment below from the child molester/priest. The motorcross track would draw no more child molesters than say if they attended a basketball game at a school, or a public swimming pool. And although I don’t participate in motorcross myself, it was very discriminating of the people to group those people that do participate into a category that calls them alcholic, skummy, or child predators. It makes me wonder if anyone knows how to think before they speak anymore.
3/10/2010
says….
just another case of the stodgy Salina attitude. If they don’t sue or care about a project then they do not want it in Salina. No wonder Salina is in the state it is, there has to be some give from the holier than thou’s and let Salina grow.
3/10/2010
Child molestor/priest says….
Cant wait till the kids come in groups.
3/10/2010
says….
I don’t believe the “red shirts” even know what motocross is and are afraid of something good coming to the community. They seem to have motocrossers pinned as Loud disruptive dirty alcoholic child abuductors and have never even seen what its all about. motocross is a growing FAMILY sport which 85% of motocross is children.
3/10/2010
Pro Motocross says….
I don’t understand why Salina is so stuck in this “old folk” mentality. Kids are getting into trouble left and right in this town because THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO!!! Motocross kids have a hobby, an interest, a passion, and they want a place to go to enjoy it. Most of these kids are super aware of how careful they have to be, and how important their gear is when it comes to keeping their bodies safe. The parents are big supporters and are involved in these kids’ lives, so I highly doubt there would be a higher risk of child abductions. Now, that being said, I don’t think the people that neighbor the land where this track could be built should have to deal with the noise if they don’t want to. A change in location for the track may be a good solution. The old Salina Speedway might be a good choice, but I don’t know if that’s workable or not. We shouldn’t just stomp down the idea, though. I would really like to see more opportunities for kids in the area to have some recreational fun. They deserve it, and it would be good for Salina.
3/10/2010
To each their own says….
I am pleased to see the positive comments on here for the motocross track. It is a great opportunity for this county. I am in total disbelief that an educated adult would make the comment like what Mr. Minneman made not only at the meeting but on the news as well. What a role model for these children to learn how to “stereotype”. That is almost like stating that since there is an Interstate located within 1 mile from the school, the exit should closed for fear that someone who travels that Interstate would stop and attempt to abduct a child! It looks as if many are grasping at straws trying think of anything that would prevent this from happening. I think that they should have handed out kleenex to these people and then kindly asked them to quit their sniveling. Let Mr. Hammond complete this project on HIS own land, and others do with their land as they wish.
3/10/2010
Jane says….
Why would the child-abductor issue come up? No more likely at a race track than at a school.
3/10/2010
Cracker Jack says….
to glad were gone–sorry you moved. Did you attend the meeting last night? Very professional where all sides were seen and heard and expressed views both for and against the race track. I was there and impressed by the process. Good points were made by both the area neighbors and by racetrack proponents. I am glad I am not sitting in the big chairs. It will be a difficult decision.
3/10/2010
says….
Mr. Gleason I have never heard that old saying, but if that is the case then tell your family, which Mr. Hammond is a part of, to open their check books and start buying everybody in the area out. You might also point out Mr. Hammonds neighbors live on Hilldale Rd, not Halstead.
3/10/2010
says….

Their homes and property would suffer from the extra noise from the motorcycles and ATVs, traffic on Interstate Highway 70.?
I was unaware that inamadament objects had feelings such as suffering.This is the most uneducated EXCUSE yet. If that’s the case Salina better pave every road in the county

3/10/2010
Know the facts says….
This issue is about the location Mr. Hammond wants to build on and its proximity to residences, a school, a wildlife sanctuary, and a religous facility which are all within a half mile of the proposed site that will be affected by the noise that the track will generate. Nobody is against motocross as some of Mr. Hammonds supporters state. They are simple saying that the location is unsuitable and incompatible with the noise sensitive areas and the people and activities that already exist around the property where Mr. Hammond wants to build. The fact that even Mr. Hammonds supporters can not argue is there will be a serious amount of noise generated by the up to 150 bikes Mr. Hammond is proposing to have at the site that each will produce more than 100 decibels affecting the quality of life for the area. I am surprised there is not more of an uproar, but I would suspect most of Salina is unaware of this.
3/10/2010
says….
People are getting ridicuous!! This track is not in any of the incorporated cities in Saline County, so what is the problem? Be careful, Saline County Commissioners, if you let these people succeed in blocking this motocross course, you will open yourself up to all kinds of problems. They will complain that the Tri-Rivers fair & Rodeo are too noisy and too dirty, the new waterpark makes too much noise, get rid of Jumping Joe’s. And what about the Bunge Elevator & all the other grain elevators in Saline County?? You know how much dust the grain elevators generate?…and how much noise they make?.. and how much traffic? Oh Yes, it’s noisey around the airport too, and even worse when you have an airshow. Need I continue? I could for hours and still not come up with every possibility!!!
3/10/2010
says….
They are worried about noise? How close is the track to I-70? Thats what I thought!!
3/10/2010
???? says….
why is it that almost eveytime something new wants to come to the area we seem to always find more reasons why not to allow it then why we should allow it. In general I feel that we cause more grief to places that want to locate here, when in fact we should be welcoming new places and new ideas and WORK WITH THEM instead of against
3/10/2010
Jim Gleason, Edmond, OK says….
For some of us that have moved from the Salina area we see how Salina is starving for entertainment and recreation. For those that are considering moving to Salina from other areas this recreation area makes the move more attractive. Salina is a great place to live and a great place to raise children but what about those that are looking for a little diversity? If it is not allowed here, then where would it be allowed? Like the old saying goes, if you do not like neighbors, then buy the property around you and you will never have to see them or HEAR THEM…The same goes here. Bottom line is this will benefit the City of Salina and should be approved.
3/10/2010
Tonya says….
In this time of financial difficulties, I think this would be a great way for the city to generate revenue without having to spend our money. The people attending these events would spend time and money in our city. The only alarming comment I have seen from the opposition is the concern for the school children. The entrance to the Prairie Harbor Recreation is quite a distance from the grade school and directly off the interstate. If someone had the intent of endangering a child they would have to be at the school. My daughter attended Happy Corner and the children are well supervised during recess and upon arriving and departing. How would they be at any greater risk than the children that attend public schools in town, where strangers are abundant?
3/10/2010
says….
I attended the meeting lastnight and spoke for the track, one comment I had on all the concern for the dust is that when you go to a race they water the track down to almost mud, if it was dusty I would be concerned to even let my boys ride. I think the track would be a great thing for the community!!!!
3/10/2010
says….
Wow! Who woulda thought this would be such an uproar! I commend andrew hammond for trying to bring something positive to salina, I think that salina could really benefit from this!
3/10/2010
says….
I am suprised that anything ever gets built or that we ever get a chance to grow and develope as a community. No mater what it is, we are always against change and yet we continue to cry that there isn’t any new jobs or that the kids have nothing to do but drink, drug, and go parking. Wake up, these motocross events are family events, and something to do besides find out how much trouble there is to get into. It is so much more safe for these young people to ride in this type of enviroment than cutting out accross some farm field. They learn about correct riding, safety gear, and proper use of the equipment. There seems to be some worry about te crowd it will draw, these are expensive hobbies, it takes money for equipment, safety gear, fuel, and to maintain the equipment. As the economey recovers, who knows what type of business could be an off shoot of this track, repair shops or sales of new equipment? I say live and let live…
3/10/2010
exfelon says….
andy you should hook up with chuck fairchild, his property is zoned for a race track. nobody couldn’t say nonthinking then
3/10/2010
Too bad Saline County says….
Saline County doesn’t want a track? So be it. I guess we can continue to go to Milford or Little Sahara and spend our money there. One question though, what ever happened to the track at the former Speedway?
3/10/2010
Tese says….
Salina is held back by the people who, when they can’t make use of something they stop any progress for everybody. Kinda sneaky too, telling the people that are for an idea, not to show up. Those talents are wasted, run for congress.
3/10/2010
glad were gone says….
I’m so glad we moved from Salina, it just keeps getting worse.Rapes, gunshots,race issues,arguing over everything, glad were back home…
3/10/2010


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