Bob Wilhelm (standing, right), of the Kansas Division of Emergency Management, explains regulations that affect the Chapman school district's eligibility for federal grant money. The school district is putting together a package of financing -- state and federal aid, as well as an $8.2 million bond issue in April -- to rebuild the Chapman high school, middle school, elementary school and district office, which were destroyed by a tornado June 11, 2008. The meeting was in the Carlton Community Center Wednesday night. Photo by DUANE SCHRAG Salina Journal
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Chapman will get funds for schools
2/26/2009
By DUANE SCHRAG
Salina Journal
CARLTON -- If voters in the Chapman School District turn down an $8.2 million bond issue to help rebuild schools devastated by last summer's tornado, it would jeopardize federal aid currently available to help pay for the modular classrooms, but it would not affect aid for the new construction.
Federal disaster aid regulations allow communities to qualify for grants that pay up to 75 percent of the recovery costs not covered by insurance. But work must proceed in a timely fashion, and considerable attention has been focused on July 9, the one-year anniversary of the disaster declaration issued in the wake of the tornado that leveled much of downtown Chapman on June 11, 2008.
"The 75 percent for the reconstruction is not in jeopardy," Bob Wilhelm, an official with the Kansas Division of Emergency Management, said at a meeting Wednesday night at the Carlton Community Center. "You do not have to start by July 9."
But there are consequences if ground is not broken by that date, Wilhelm told an audience that approached 100 people.
If work is not going to proceed by the one-year anniversary, the Federal Emergency Management Agency must grant an extension in order to preserve eligibility for assistance with cost of temporary measures, such as modular classrooms and storage expenses.
It's been demoralizing
Students in Chapman are currently in modular classrooms, an experience teachers at the meeting described as demoralizing and disruptive for students.
"I've had more discipline issues in the last three months," said Middle School Principal Bruce Hurford. "This has been a huge thing for our kids. We are in a situation where we can't deliver the same educational value."
Wilhelm explained that there is little guidance on what criteria FEMA will use in deciding whether to allow an extension when the one-year deadline is missed. Federal regulations simply say an extension will be considered if there are "extenuating" circumstances.
Mickey Gamble, a public assistance specialist with FEMA, told the Salina Journal this week that extensions have been granted in the past because bond issues were initially defeated.
A more substantial deadline occurs Jan. 9, 2010, or 18 months from the disaster declaration.
"For permanent work, you have 18 months to complete that project," Wilhelm said. "If you cannot complete that project (in 18 months), you apply for an extension."
He emphasized that these extensions are granted by Kansas officials, not FEMA. While they are not automatic, he told the audience that they are available if the community is making a good faith effort to move forward.
"We work hard to get you those extensions," he said.
Some of the people at the meeting said FEMA officials had told the Chapman School Board that money for reconstruction -- not just money for temporary housing -- would be jeopardized if construction is not started within one year. A fact sheet on the Chapman School District Web site appeared to repeat that message.
However, Wednesday evening, the fact sheet had been revised to emphasize that reimbursements for temporary measures would be jeopardized if the deadline is not met.
Here's why they're bigger
Considerable time -- the meeting lasted more than an hour and a half -- was spent discussing the fact that the Chapman high school, middle school and elementary school will be growing by almost 50 percent, from 212,000 square feet to 312,000 square feet.
Wilhelm stressed that federal funds will help reconstruct only equivalent buildings. The new buildings have been judged to be equivalent by FEMA, because they offer the same functionality, even though they are physically larger, he said.
The need for larger buildings derives from a domino effect. Before the tornado hit, the middle and elementary schools shared several spaces, including kitchen, dining, and gym.
The middle school is in a flood plain, and in order to be eligible for federal aid, the lot must be built up 4.5 feet to take it above the 500-year flood plain elevation. When that is done, there no longer is room in the immediate area for the elementary school, Wilhelm said.
The consequence is that both buildings now have spaces that previously were shared.
A letter from Brent Bowman, the Chapman school project architect, to Chapman Superintendent Tony Frieze notes increases in classroom and educational space:
n Elementary school, from 16,626 square feet to 19,823 square feet
n Middle school, from 18,862 square feet to 24,742 square feet
n High school, from 20,774 square feet to 28,744 square feet
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EAS, Chapman says....
Having had all four of our children and a daughter-in-law (4th generation)graduate from Chapman, I can honestly say that we have a great school system. Every school system has good and bad points. In a three to five year period (1989-1994 I think) Chapman graduated six students that went on to become physicians. Not bad for a small country school!!!! Two of our children are in law enforcement and two are in the medical field. Not bad either. We need our schools rebuilt. THe schools and churches are the heart of this community and I agree with others that without these, there will not be a Chapman. $8.2 million is pretty inexpensive for three schools. Having experienced damage from the tornado I have found that as time goes by, it has become very necessary to get my life in some sense of order. Our children need that also. Modulars are not the answer. I work in a modular on Ft. Riley and it's not a picnic when the wind picks up. The simple fact is -We need the schools, so VOTE YES.
3/25/2009
says....
"A 6.8-mill levy translates to $3.26 a month for a $50,000 home, $4.89 a month for a $75,000 home and $6.52 a month for a home valued at $100,000, according to the district." Does this sound anything remotely like the true figures based on a 6.8 millage? This is how a 6.8 mill levy actually "translates": $50,000 (minus 20,000 exemption) times .0068 = $204 per year $100,000 (minus 20,000 exemption) times .0068 = $544 per year $200,000 (minus 20,000 exemption) times .0068 = $1,224 per year
3/23/2009
says....
To Go Chapman: The HILL location was not decided because of FEMA. Ask them at the public meetings coming up. The HILL location was decided by a select few. The Elementary and Middle School could and should be built together where they were. FEMA approves if that's our choice.
3/6/2009
C/73 says....
I graduated from Chapman High in 1973. I have been an educator in Eastern North Carolina for 30 years. I credit my successes to the excellent education I received so many years ago. From what I have read, 85% of the rebuilding costs will be paid by taxpayers across the country, like myself. That money WILL be spent somewhere. Why not put it into rebuilding the CHAPMAN schools? I have been so proud of your community's response after the tornado. You picked yourselves up, and got busy rebuilding, instead of waiting for someone else to do it for you (like in New Orleans). Now it is time to provide for the education of your most precious resource and the hope for your future. You have the history of providing excellent education. It would be short-sighted to build barely-adequate buildings that will not meet the needs in a few years. It would also be futile to try to duplicate the old buildings, as they would not meet the latest buliding codes. Please remember that this is not just an expenditure; it is an investment. It will benefit your community, as well as the communities of those who have spread out across the country after graduation.
3/6/2009
Looking At Numbers says....
Please talk this over with "Grandma." You mentioned she has a house, so let's assume here she has a house worth $75,000. So, with the current 8.2 bond, her increase would be $60 a year/$5 a month. Now, let's say for the sake of argument, we would cut $10 million off the plan (NO WAY could we do that but let's just say for now)--that would bring the bond to 6.7. Grandma's increase would be $49 per year/$4 a month for her $75,000 house. Did you see that--you only save Grandma $12 ($1 per month) by cutting $10 million from our kids. There is NO WAY we could cut that much, and by cutting any less, we save minimal amounts. THE BOND FOR 8.2 IS THE BEST DEAL WE WILL HAVE!
3/6/2009
says....
The school district can NOT cut the size of the classrooms, libraries or cafeterias. They HAVE TO BE BUILT TO FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINES if the school board is to use state and federal money. The old school didn't have these worries because it was built 70 years ago before the regulations where in place. But times have changed. There are new laws like the handicapped accessibility rights and other codes that now have to be met. Please do not believe that by voting NO on the bond issue that the school board will somehow be able to redesign the buildings and save millions of dollars. This isn't true! You can not build anything without it meeting current regulations.
3/6/2009
The Syko One says....
Had Chapman NOT had a tornado roar through, they would not be wanting new schools. But a tornado DID go through town. I see no way around it. Chapman is a big enough school district that their students cannot be absorbed by the surrounding districts, without the surrounding districts having to enlarge their facilities. Permanent modulars, I love that one. Basically amounts to taking a trailer house and screwing it to the ground. In the event of another tornado, the anchor bolts stay put, but the rest of the structure is blown apart. Great thinking there, DBW. As for increasing the size of the buildings, if you are starting from scratch on new structures, it only costs a bit more to add to the square footage. If you build only what you need now and need to add on more square footage down the road, you are going to be spending a lot more for the additional space.
3/6/2009
says....
It was wonderfull to see after the tornado how a community can rally in a time of a diaster. As much gratitude and pride that I could see then, is now being torn apart due to the fact of a community/district that is going to battle over a bond issue. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please let the FACTS be why you choose your opinion! Not a personal agenda. When Extreme Makeover came to Chapman and help rebuild, a lot of pride and respect went out through the nation to show how not only Chapman residents but how all Kansas's and others who live out of State can help. How do you think that those same viewers would think of us now if they were to show how divided we have become. Now is not the time to dig a hole, crawl in and hide. People always want to know why we can never get college grads to come back to a community that they have left? Time to wake up people! Not only do our kids depend on this but our FUTURE depends on this. Try to remember the past is the pat and all we can do is look forward to the future and I can honestly hope that on the 8th of April our kids can smile again!!!
3/6/2009
says....
Rural Center comment - I understand your thinking and it makes sense. The only thing with that is will you just want to have a land transfer again when Abilene attempts to build their new HS with no FEMA aid so the bond is 100% of the cost? Also, what about the people out there that still have kids in Chapman and want to support us and our 15% investment. I definitely see concern both ways.
3/6/2009
concerned says....
"Hill" comment. I think there was a vote last month about shuttle bus service to elementary if needed.
3/6/2009
says....
If you would have been following the school board meetings, you would have realized that the school board has already decided to have a pickup point for town students where the old elementary building was and will bus them to the new elementary school located at the top of the hill. To the Rural Center patron, I sympathize with your situation. I live IN Abilene but my kids go to Chapman because I feel it provides a much better education. So I am paying high taxes to their schools to help with their renovations they have just completed and will for the expansions they want to add to the other schools as well. It will be interesting to see if Abilene will want to pass a bond issue for a new high school once Chapman passes their bond. If Abilene does, you can bet it will be more than 8 million dollars.
3/6/2009
says....
Has anyone thought about their Grandma in this situation. For me, my Grandma lives in the country and is on a VERY limited income. How is the older generation supposed to be able to afford the extra taxes with the rising cost of food and medical care. Maybe you would say that she needs to move. I have thought about that as well, however; finding someone to purchase her house when the taxes are higher than other places is not going to be easy. I want to make sure that my Grandma can maintain paying for her house as well as the new schools. Board of Education and Administration....I plead with you to cut the plans (which I have seen) in the areas of gyms, cafeterias, libraries. Don't eliminate them, just make them smaller and help the community. The Community DOES want to support you, please do the same for them.
3/6/2009
Go Chapman says....
To the person that wonders about bussing students to the "HILL"- if you would attend a school board meeting, you would know that YES, students will have a bus to take them to the new site of Chapman Elementary. (A site that had to be used because of FEMA regulations, by the way. The school had to be placed out of the flood plain, so putting it on a "HILL" was the only choice.)
3/6/2009
says....
OK, I know that Chapman MUST rebuild the schools if the town is to survive. If you were in Chapman shortly after the tornado, the destruction of the schools would have broken your heart. I have had kids who went to school there and loved many more of the students which weren't my kids. However, I am a homeowner in the Rural Center area. A lot of talk here about closing RC since all their kids go elsewhere anyways. So, please, close RC, but before you do this area should adopt a land transfer in the servicing district to which the majority of the students attend school (I believe that is Abilene). Then, those of us in the RC area will not have a vote in regards to the bond issue for a district in which our kids to not attend school and our monies can be spent in the Abilene district to update the schools where our children receive their education instead.
3/6/2009
says....
To all the people who are wondering about paying a few more dollars on you taxes and to ex-chapman resident, Are you from another planet or what???? Because the last I knew no matter where people live as long as you work and don't sit back and wait for a hand out you HAVE TO PAY TAXES. Even business owners outside of Chapman have to pay taxes. I'm sure those business owners will vote yes because what they have built and worked for their whole lives will be gone if the Bond Issue does not pass. Junction City built a new High School for what 33 million, Salina renovated 2 schools several years ago for 99 million, and a new water park for 12.5 million, and a new swimming pool in Abilene for what 15 million and the list goes on and on so don't tell us our children have it to easy compared to other generations. We all do because times change, some for the better or worse. I don't feel that 8.2 million for 3 new schools for a good quality education is giving too much to our children compared to other figures mentioned. So we don't care what you or anyone else have to say, I vote "YES" and no one in their right mind who lives in Chapman should be worried about breaking their "BANK" to give our children good quality education in a good small home town "OUR FIGHTING IRISH TOWN". Unfortunately we had a tornado and the future of Chapman and our children should not be punished for it. Talk about a crisis, this town will turn into a ghost town. Without schools people will not move here and others will lose their jobs and move away. Who will buy their homes so can can live elsewhere? Some of the square footage is being increased because some of it was shared like the kitchen, cafateria, library and gymnasium. Only staff I'm sure that will be hired will be to cover those areas and that means fewer unemployed people in the community. Stop bickering over a few dollars you will have to spend on taxes here to rebuild and think about the future of our children. They can't stay in the modulars, they are only temporary. They need hallways, need to stay warm and dry and not have to walk several blocks every hour to get to class. We don't want our children to go to Junction City or Abilene, we want them to go to Chapman, that's why we chose to live here. So some of you negative people just need to get over it and VOTE YES!!!!!
3/5/2009
says....
I appreciate the 6-1 vote from the Chapman School Board for helping us get to vote on a bond! Thank you very much to the 6 board members and admin. who care about our kids! Pay attention who is looking out for our children's future when you vote April 7th - I encourage you to vote for the board members who have the foresight and don't join in on negative groups. GO IRISH!!!!!!
3/5/2009
?????? says....
PEOPLE,PEOPLE......think about the "HILL" that a new school will be built on.......will the kids that all walked to the middle school be bused up to the "HILL"????? I would hope that has all been taken into consideration.
3/5/2009
Please think before you post- says....
For the poster who stated that the 85% is tax money....you are correct. THE NATIONS TAX DOLLARS. How nice it will be to see our money (along with everyone else in this country who pays taxes), to be spent here. And guess what, those tax dollars have already been collected and will continue to be collected whether we had a tornado or not.
3/5/2009
Fact finder: says....
Closing outlying schools? You are trying to scare voters. Please look at the plans online people. I see 2 classrooms for each grade in the plans for the Chapman elementary. Ya right, the schools want to now put all students in the elementary grades into just two classrooms. My child is in 5th grade. I called the Superintendents office after reading this comment...there are 63 students in the 5th grade district wide. Do you honestly think they want 32 kids in a classroom? There obviously needs to be an IQ test for people to post on this site. You did mention one thing that we all should be thinking about though, talk about wasting money....What does it cost to run Rural Center with their 20+ kids each year?
3/5/2009
ex-chapman resident says....
to Irish Forever and others: I have had an interesting time reading the comments posted on the proposed new schools. I no longer live in Chapman and so you may think I have no right to place my comment here. You asked what would change in lives without Chapman and its schools. Let me get straight to it: I would have a live and loving daughter who I could spend time with and who would be raising her own daughter. How is that for a comment? And to say that people who are against anything that is proposed by a local, state or federal governments should keep quiet about it is proposterous. Go live in communist China and find out what it is like to voice a disagreement. We live in the U.S. and have a right to give our own opinions. This is healthy and necessary for the life we have. I have not seen one single comment from anyone that says Chapman does not need to rebuild the schools. The difference in opinions appears to be in the cost - and if you are a homeowner or business owner in Chapman - you will be paying for the new school and certainly have a right to voice your opinion. Our kids today are treated very well, better than any prior generation. I am not going to say I don't love our kids and want them to succeed in life, but I also want to say that the older generation should not break the bank and have nothing to live on after retirement because of trying to give kids "everything" they ask for now. I don't see too many of those kids taking in their ailing parents and grandparents to repay them for the older generation's sacrifices. Also, no one "owes" teachers anything either. Teachers get a pretty darn good salary for what they do - they aren't doing it for free. So like me (I work) and everyone else who works, your salary is your thanks. Since I no longer live in Chapman, I am not going to comment on the cost vs space of the proposed schools, even tho my federal tax dollars and my state tax dollars will go to help pay for the costs.
3/5/2009
JIRISH says....
FACT: A five year old child will learn the same from an hour bus ride as the same from a 15 minute bus ride. "Cowboy up?" Excuse me but we already have to deal with enough already. I will Cowboy up but I don't want to see others go through stuff that I had to. FACT: Modulars can only hold up for so long they are temporary!
3/5/2009
Chapman student says....
Oh and the person who mentioned to cowboy up...you obviously need to grow up. You spend a day in my shoes..
3/5/2009
other senior says....
My grandpa, grandma, aunts,uncles, and mom have all graduated from Chapman. This May, its my turn. first of all we are not paying $75 million, we are paying $8.2 million. getting 85% of the cost payed for is a good deal. Council grove just recently passed a bond to REMODEL their school. We got hit by a tornado, which happened to go over my house while I sat in the basement praying. The old schools needed updated. There was asbestos which was a health hazard. The cost for a person in Chapman will be $45 per $100,000 of assessed value. The average value in Chapman is $80,000. thats roughly $35. Why cant we pay $35 a year for 3 NEW SCHOOLS? On top of that, what happens to the property value of our homes if the school doesnt get built? IT WILL GO DOWN. not to mention the employees of our school who make up a good part of this community will loose jobs. What about the kids in the outline schools? What about the kids in the Middle and High School? Where will we go to school? Abilene isnt big enough to add 733 people. We have always been a strong community. We NEED TO BE STRONG NOW WHEN WE NEED IT MOST. for everyone complaining about the enrollment numbers why do u think we are building a bigger school? more room to get those numbers up. VOTE YES
3/5/2009
Chapman student says....
Have any of you negative people even seen the plans? The classes are all the same...there aren't going to be any new classes and their won't be a need for more teachers. The classes physically are going to be bigger. If you haven't seen the plans, pick up a copy of the Dickinsion, its there.
3/5/2009
Chapman Senior says....
For those of you who think we're building "Excessive", take a look at the plans. We are not adding anything we did not have before. FEMA will not help pay for anything we did not have before. For those of you who think we should "cowboy up" or get permanant modulars.. you're obviously a adult who has no clue what this is like. Why don't you get your Rear out here and walk about two miles everyday in the FREEZING cold. Cowboy up huh? Want us to just deal with the rain? How well are we supposed to deal when we are soaked. Literally from head to toe. You people are obviously clueless. IF you vote no, you're only hurting yourself. If the bond doesn't pass now, within a few years, there will be another one, only there will be NO funds to help us pay. See how much you like to pay your taxes then. People, It is common sense to vote yes,and get these schools underway.These students deserve a SCHOOL with HALLWAYS and an office in a central location. Building permanent modulars is a JOKE. If these schools don't get built, you might as well pick up and move now, because your good ol town of Chapman is gonna disappear.
3/5/2009
JIRISH says....
Hello everyone, If you haven't noticed this is the bond issue this is the final draft. As a student and might I add a senior of Chapman I don't mind walking in harsh weather but here is something to think about, Chapman schools are what hold the town together. 75 million dollars isn't anything that is mentioned its 8.2 million. Do you know how much a school from the ground up costs? We aren't remodeling anything we aren't knocking down a old school to put up a new one. We are BUILDING a new school because of a TORNADO. We didn't say we wanted one, it HAPPENED.
3/5/2009
Cowboystudent says....
Hey, negative people...are you on crack?
3/5/2009
irishman says....
The increaced employment is with construction jobs and all of the jobs related working on the schools. That money is then trickled down in areas other than Chapman. I am not sure you seen construction or the economy lately. But the future of either looks good right now. I did not say the school was going to hire more people.
3/5/2009
says....
We arent paying 75 million dollars. we are paying 8.2 AND the new schools will be more effecient
3/5/2009
LAB says....
I just had to laugh when I read the "Cowboy up" comment!! I'm proud that Chapman has met standards on their testing...I don't know if Abilene can say the same? From what I have heard they have not the past two years...so if that is your way to "cowboy up" then you live exactly where you should. By the way, what about the 4 million dollar bond the city has for your swimming pool. How much is that costing? So good for for "cowboying up"!! I can say Thank God I'm Irish:)
3/5/2009
irishman says....
If you truly think they will close Blue Ridge, Enterprise and Rural Center. Then you should look at the plans again. We will need a bigger Elementary school in Chapman. You are correct Rural Center need to be closed. It is only being kept open from the kindness of the districts heart. Everyone knows 95% of those kids at RC will go elsewhere. No way what they have proposed for the new grade school could even handle Enterprise grade school enrollment. Get out and visit the schools. I think the people you are getting your information from are not acurate. Yes enrollment is down since 92-93. But what rural school West of a Manhattan has not dropped in enrollment. Who's Insurance premiums are not going up. Every thing has been looked at by the admin. The "NO" voters are making this a vendetta against this administration. Granted you may not agree with the board or super. But if you have ever dealt with the Government. You know you can not count on funding all of the time. Yes 8.2 million is alot. You vote NO now and how hard are you going to yell when the next bond comes about. They take out 20,000sf and we have to pay 39 million. You sure you want to take that chance.
3/5/2009
says....
It's funny that some people would think that the Chapman school board is going to close down the outlying schools just because they are building a new elementary school. I've seen the plans and if I am not mistaken, there are only going to be the same number of classrooms that the old elementary school had. It would seem that if it was indeed their intention to close down the outlying schools that they would have four classrooms per grade in the plan instead of the usual two. Yes, I can see Rural Center closing in the near future but that is because the entire elementary only has around 24 students and most of them end up going to Abilene anyway. That doesn't have anything to do with the new school being built or this bond issue. It has to do with the fact fewer people living in that area are sending their students to Rural Center to begin with. As for JC's comment about the number of staff, I also have not heard nor have I seen anywhere the fact that the school board is going to hire a lot of additional staff when the buildings are built. Why should they? There is not going to be anymore classrooms than what was there before. The only difference is that the classrooms are going to be bigger so that they comply with state and federal guidelines. There will be an additional library/gym/ and cafeteria in the elementary school but I have not heard of any additional staff being hired for those areas. Personally, I feel that they will take the staff that is currently already employed and move them into those positions. AT the most, you may see some part-time staff become full-time but as for needing a lot of additional staff just because the square footage is increased is not true. To the person who wrote about the total cost of the bond issue once interest is figured in failed to acknowledge that there will be state money in the future to help pay the interest payments. So your figures are wrong. Please look over your facts again. Plus, what do you think the cost of the schools would be if we waited 20 years to build them? For the people who honestly believe that if they vote NO that the school district would somehow find areas they can cut to make things cheaper are dreaming. Where should they cut? Should they take out the extra gym so you can literally pay a few pennies less and then realize the need and have to pay full-price down the road? Or maybe they should cut out some of the at-risk classrooms because those students are not "important". Do you honestly think building supplies are going to be cheaper if the school waited a few years? Ask Herington people what happened when they failed to pass their first bond issue. Answer: the price of the bond keeps increasing due to rising cost of construction. Let's really think this through....It will cost the district, and the local tax payers, MORE down the road if the bond issue doesn't pass the first time. This is mainly due to the fact the district will have to assume the full cost of the mobile units plus the expense of a special election. Think this through people!!!! We need to vote YES now while we still have the 85% off offer.
3/5/2009
other senior says....
anyone who doesnt want this to pass is ignorant. How about you come walk from class to class at the high school on a day when it is 5 degrees out with the wind blowing 15mph. Then maybe you can understand a little. We are getting a deal that is basically unheard of. 85% already paid for and we are being so greedy that we dont want to shell out the other 15% and be supportive of our community. Everyone knows that if these schools dont get built, our community will dissipate. Vote Yes
3/5/2009
says....
Looks like one or two people have spent a lot of time trying to list doubts, so it looks like many. I guess if you want to spend your time campaigning against Chapman kids, that's your option. Pretty sad.
3/5/2009
says....
I guess if you feel okay voting against Chapman's youth...then you will vote no. Some of us care about Chapman rebuilding, and the quality of the kids' education. That's why we'll be voting YES!!!
3/5/2009
Kids are Important says....
Fact: Enrollment is down. So what? We now have 18-25 students in our classrooms instead of 25-30. Those are PERFECT numbers! Glad you shared that fact with us!
3/5/2009
Get Real says....
Stop spreading malicious lies! It is not in the plan to close any of our outlying schools and bring them to Chapman! Have you seen the plans for the new Chapman Elementary School? There is no room for children from the outlying buildings! The new elementary is not this grand, huge building. It is the same classroom space as before. Get your facts straight!
3/5/2009
says....
PLEASE attend USD 473 informational meetings. STOP the rumors! This is getting out of hand! We are a district TOGETHER! This benefits us ALL!
3/5/2009
says....
The time to rebuild is NOW! Vote YES!
3/5/2009
Common Sense says....
$14,473,575.00 is going to be the total cost after interest is added? WOW- that is even a better deal than I thought! Three buildings and an educational center for under 15 million. That is AWESOME! We all know that you don't have a bond without interest, but if that figure is correct- then it is better than we could have hoped for! Thanks for pointing that out!
3/5/2009
says....
To Irish Forever- Just wondering about your comment, "If you didn't deal with the every day issues we had and have now then you have no say because you were not here and you don't know." Does this mean that the taxpayers of the District that are not employed by the District do not matter? Their votes don't count? Maybe you would like to cover the total cost. Your additional 80.04 for your $100,000 house per year is nothing compared to what some of the land owners in your district will pay. Some individuals have determined that this bond will cost them $15,000 to $30,000 more over the life of this bond. I bet some farmers could plant a lot of food, that we all will be eating, with that amount of money.
3/5/2009
says....
Blue Ridge, Enterprise, & Rural Center schools will be closed when the new buildings open. The district won't admit this, but it's the plan. How does all the patrons feel about having a 5 yr old on a bus for over an hour one way to school? What do you think this 5 year old will learn on the bus with the old students?
3/5/2009
says....
FACT: Buildings will have to be insured at or above the cost of the grant per Bob Wilhelm. How much will this cost? Is this in the budget?
3/4/2009
says....
FACT: District Enrollment for 1992-93 = 1340 Enrollment for 2008-09 = 988
3/4/2009
says....
No one is against the 73,300 square feet of classroom and educational space in the building plans. It's the 169,000 square feet that's not classroom and educational space that needs to be rethought. The only option we have is to vote NO and hope for a new plan next time.
3/4/2009
says....
Yes, you do have it tough, no doubt. However; there is what is called "making the best of a bad situation". You might try it. "Cowboy" up.
3/4/2009
JC says....
I am thinking of the children and the schools and the education. If we can't afford to hire the staff to fill the new buildings, the quality of the education isn't going to exist. The Kansas City School District gave notice to 150-200 employees that as of June 30th they will be unemployed. The Newton School District cancelled classes for a day to find ways to cut the expenses. The Chapman plans are to build big. What happens when we can't afford the extra staff to run the big buildings? No one is against new buildings. We're against the size and cost of the buildings. We want to be able to afford the staff and expenses of the new buildings. The only way to make the district re-examine their plans is to vote NO.
3/4/2009
Irish Forever says....
OMG-you negative people need to get a grip. Do you really want to talk economy here? Are you willing to raise the unemployment by another 240 people? I understand that you want to be reasonable so let's be reasonable. The sq footage makes no difference when you have an efficient utlility system. If you didn't deal with the every day issues we had and have now then you have no say because you were not here and you don't know. Questions are good? Facts are better. Negative comments are best kept to yourself just like your mother told you. Our enrollment would be higher if we had actual schools. People call everyday asking when the new schools will be finished. They want their kids to have the best quality education and that is right here in Chapman, KS. I don't drive 30 minutes one way every day just for the fun of it. We owe it to our teachers who make a difference in the lives of Chapman students every day. We owe it to our children for their future and for all the future generations to come. I know the economy is tough and it may not get better any time soon but are you really willing to sacrifice a child's future? A teacher's job? A town? Tell me what will your life be without Chapman and it's schools. Maybe nothing if you live in Junction or Salina. But to many of us it would be more devastating than the actual tornado. It doesn't matter if you own your own business, farm, or just live in this great town. IT WILL COME BACK TO BITE YOU IF YOU VOTE NO!!! You get chances in life to make a difference, so make one. Make the difference in a child's future and VOTE YES! Chapman will come back better and stronger. You just have to vote "YES"!!!!!!!
3/4/2009
Chapman student says....
I am a senior at Chapman High School. No adult knows (besides Chapman educators) what it's like...walking from class to class day to day. The biggest day that I can remember is the day it poured down rain. All of my books were soaked, and I felt miserable the whole day. We came into class looking like drowned rats. Now, yes I will not be in a high school when I graduate, but I would give anything to step into my old high school again. Its not the same. I was in a high school for three years and then my senior year, the year I'm supposed to love, is completely different. Please vote yes on April 7th...it means the world to students in the Chapman school district. I hope to eventually come back to Chapman and have my kids go to school here, but if this bond doesn't pass my dream could possibly change. Students want a school. We want that feel of a high school. We are Chapman...VOTE YES!
3/4/2009
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85% tax "free." Where do you think the money is coming from? Those are TAX DOLLARS. Economics 101 will tell you, that at the moment, this economy cannot sustain this bond.
3/4/2009
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The next "Field of Dreams" - Chapman, KS I don't think so!
3/4/2009
KPS says....
Yes, and I'd like to know who is going to clean the grease traps!!
3/4/2009
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to irishman: How is the district going to pay for the increase in jobs???
3/4/2009
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For all of those individuals that are talking about the cost of the maintenance of the new schools as compared to the old.....Has the Board of Education or the Administration of the District provided you with any of those numbers? I would like to know the facts.
3/4/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
For more information and to view plans, go to www.usd473.net Also, there are informational meetings scheduled for March 23-26. But most importantly, make your vote count April 7!
3/4/2009
irishman says....
You people talk like USD 473 would not have to pay utilies at the OLD less efficient schools. We have a chance to Better the schools without excess. You act like we doubled the size of each school. If you ever tried to manuver a wheel chair in the OLD Grade school in Chapman you would realize it needed more space. You talk about the economy, think of all of the jobs this will increace. That will help the economy, the community and the county. Please Vote YES, you will not get a better chance to build the schools at this rate.
3/4/2009
Irish Aunt and Mom says....
My heart goes out to the juniors and seniors at CHS. They have had many traditions taken away from them. Although the school has done everything they can to keep the traditions continuing - the settings are different. Many of these kids have had parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles graduate from Chapman and they looked forward to having the senior bench, performing their Class Night in the auditorium and walking the halls just like those before them did. The seniors will be graduating soon and moving on, however the juniors will be back and the modulars will still be there. I am sure this is frustrating for them. We MUST REBUILD OUR SCHOOLS so that we can get back the normalcy these kids need. Fortunately, this too shall pass and the kids that are juniors now will look back on this time and see it as a "moment" that made them stronger individuals. Vote YES on April 7th!!
3/4/2009
VOTE YES says....
Are you kidding me? There is nothing excessive about investing in a child's education! This is not 1935 anymore! Classrooms have to be built bigger to meet codes, house more technology, and simply hold more "stuff." Chapman schools did not ask for a tornado to wipe out their buildings. They simply want to rebuild back what they had and so what if they get a few new things along the way. They deserve it!
3/4/2009
mcirish says....
The grade school addition dates back to 1950's. The junior high was outgrown in the 1960's and new separate classrooms had to be built. The high school was the most up-to-date and it was finished in the early 60's. Chapman has an excellent reputation and record for education their youth. They have made do with keeping up with the educational laws and needs in 40-50 year old buildings. Give them what they deserve - VOTE YES!
3/4/2009
Fighting Irish Alumni says....
YES for the youth in the Chapman area - this impacts the ENTIRE district area! YES for the children! YES for quality education! YES for the students and staff! Lastly, for the few people who think it is excessive - get real 85% OFF - also do your research and look at the plans! Believe in education and kids!
3/3/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
For all those concerned about "square footage"--look at the plans (not the number). What would you cut?! And the BIG quesition, who much would it save?! We still have to pay 15% of the cost! I've looked at the plans; I've read the information; I've listened to the FEMA report. I'm informed and I am voting YES, YES, YES for the plans as they stand.
3/3/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
There have been several comments about our District's enrollment. Currently, we have 963 kids in our district, of those 756 are in modular/temporary classrooms, and this impacts the future education of ALL those children. Interesting that despite a tornado, despite having modular classrooms, our enrollment INCREASED this year over last year's enrollment. You can't predict the future, but the town of Chapman is growing; Fort Riley is expanding; new schools will attract families. If you ask any of the families who rebuilt in Chapman or any of the families just moved to Irish Acres, "Why did you choose Chapman?"--the response will be the same: THE SCHOOLS! Our district has an incredible opportunity for GROWTH!
3/3/2009
Vote YES says....
FACT: The Chapman School District will get 85% of the bond paid for (FEMA 75%, State 10%) if it passed on April 7th. Talk about a deal. Who in their right mind would turn this down? FACT: If the bond fails, FEMA does not have to continue helping and may pull their funding. WHY RISK THIS???? FACT: The schools ARE NOT fluff! They are replacements for what was lost. The added square footage is necessary to meet FEMA guidelines along with current building codes. Look at the plans and not over coffee with the debbie downers that make it their life goal to not support anything! FACT: There will be maintenance and upkeep on the new buildings. Is that a surprise? Has anyone looked into the cost of the maintenance and upkeep of the “old” buildings? It was astronomical! The new building will be energy efficient which may actually result in lower costs. FACT: Chapman did not ask for this tornado to destroy the schools. It happened and now it is time to deal with it like grown ups. Nobody likes higher taxes. Hey, nobody likes tornados, but they happen. So, it’s time to take care of our kids and give them back their schools! FACT: Someone will write back to this and say how they aren’t “against” the schools, they just want to make sure the money is well spent. We are spending 15% of the total cost for this project. How is that not money well spent? There is no grey area here: You are either for the schools or against them. VOTE YES and be with them!
3/3/2009
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For all of those "excessive" people, tell me what about the buildings is excessive. I've sat in on board meetings, site council meetings, studied all of the plans and there is nothing that I can pick out that is "excessive". If you are talking about the footage of the schools, times have changed. Everything has to be bigger to accomodate all students these days. Each of the previous classrooms were under regulation when you consider that there are up to 30 students in most of the classrooms. None of the areas that we have now would be able to fit a consolidated school. If we move somewhere else FEMA will not help pay for the parts of the school that were saved. Building 3 schools in different areas of town is actually the most cost-efficient way to build. And the schools will be efficient. The school board and architects know what they are doing. Give them a break or you step up and design a school. Good luck.
3/3/2009
JCer says....
In reference to the comment of declining enrollment and need for smaller schools... I think I understand your reasoning, but it doesn't really work here. I thought the same thing and then checked it out myself. There is a set number of classes that must be offered having 12 students per class or 25 per class doesn't change that. The size of the classroom also can't change due to that fact. It would be really backward thinking to try and match the size of the classrooms to number of students in the class. How will you ever know how that will change. I for one would drive an additional 15 miles to take my kids to school if a district attempted to make a classroom small because at the time 15 students were going to use it each day instead of 20. The use of that kind of logic would scare me. I think common sense will prevail here.
3/3/2009
irishatheart says....
I keep seeing posting of excessive buildings. I don't think these few people have seen the building plans. I haven't seen extras in plans I have seen online. I have also heard administrators and teachers say over and over that what is being built is what we had. I would assume some classrooms would need to be larger. When someones says bigger, are they sure they are not counting duplicate rooms that were shared K - 8 before or special education rooms that were needed but the school didn't have. I haven't identified extra rooms on plans online. What are you talking about?? One other point. The old buildings were just that OLD. You are really making a leap to say that new construction even "bigger" construction won't be more efficient.
3/3/2009
LL says....
So spending 75 million dollars is excessive. What about 99 million spent just to RENOVATE two schools? That is the bond issue that passed for Salina in 2003.
3/3/2009
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DBW: come and take a look at the Modulars. They do NOT replace classrooms very effectively. Sorry but you just have no idea.
3/3/2009
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Build new schools, they will come!
3/3/2009
says... says....
Thanks to those of you that paid for my first two Children's building to educate them in at Chapman. Now it is my turn to pay for my last child's building to attend school in. I have land, a business, and a home in the Chapman School district and I am doing my part to see that my child and the other students at Chapman has a school building to attend. I hope you put education first and vote yes so the excellent school system at Chapman can continue.
3/3/2009
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I feel this article is misleading. If Chapman does not have the money from the bond, there will not be funds from FEMA; the school district must pay their 15% first before FEMA provides money for new construction!
3/3/2009
alum says....
As an alumnus of Chapman, I believe in this community. I plan to have my child attend in a few years. I believe in the rural atmosphere and the ag. programs made available; thus my commitment to this school district. Without permanent schools this community will become a ghost town. Secondly, our children deserve the best. If you're going to rebuild, why not make them the best? Why not build them to have the opportunity for growth in our community? The bond amount proposed is minimal when it comes to a child’s education. I don’t believe it’s the board of education that is the one planning the floor plan. There are requirements from FEMA that must be met. Furthermore, saving a few bucks here and there is not going to amount to anything in the big scheme of things. I’m willing to pay more for my child’s education, and I’m pretty sure I’m not the only parent out there that would think that. Enrollment has declined because there is no permanent facility. If new schools are not rebuilt, I’m not the only parent that would decide to send their child elsewhere. There was a new elementary school built in Junction City and the parents that have children attending ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! It has better technology, better classrooms and wouldn’t you think that with a new structure it will be more energy efficient = cost less? Our kids deserve the best of the best!
3/3/2009
sjs says....
We have families and students waiting to see if we are a community who supports our school district. If the bond passes, more students and families say they will come to Chapman. The proposed plan is not excessive but is a plan for the present and future needs of our district and is supported by expert opinions, not just the opinions of the school board. Council Grove just passed a bond to renovate one school building for the same amount of money we will have to pay to build three school buildings. Other districts find it unbelievable that anyone in our district would not support the opportunity we're being given. They wish they had a similar opportunity...without having to endure a tornado to receive it.
3/3/2009
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omg you stories are not as good as my grandmas...we walked 5 miles barefoot to school...use to always here that one.l.and they walk to 2 blocks to rooms and restrooms .ok they got it bad hah..anyway how are you going to afford such a big school to heat and cool it come on times are bad these days and they are only going to get worse
3/3/2009
KH says....
Only spending 8.2 million for 3 new schools that retail for 75+ million. That's a no brainer.
3/3/2009
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The maintennance on the old schools was outrageous!!! I'm sure those of you that are talking about how much it is going to cost have researched all of those costs, right? A little bit of advice...get the facts and go the the board meeetings and then make your comments.
3/3/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
The once beautiful, now destroyed, Chapman Elementary was built in 1935--in the heart of the Great Depression. District residents then knew the importance of an educational foundation, and think how many generations benefited from that building. Now, it is our turn to build for future generations. Although the schools are larger, they are not excessive--especially when you listen to rationale behind every decision. These designs are not something that has been thrown together overnight--work began in our district on June 12, the day after the tornado. These schools will be efficient and streamlined. I'm voting YES for my children; YES for the plans as they stand; YES for the future of our great community.
3/3/2009
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3 new schools for 15c on the dollar....no brainer. There will never be a cheaper alternative
3/3/2009
CG says....
To JC...have you ever had to build a school?? If not, then how do you know the size needed and the cost? Just curious...by the way how many square feet did you have in your school? If this doesn't pass it's not like we can go back to the drawing board and take the chance to lose funding. Will building materials not go up? What about the cost of the election to try and pass another bond? Maybe you should research your information before giving an opinion.
3/3/2009
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I AM SO SICK OF PEOPLE GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE OVER THE COST OF THE SCHOOLS!!! BUILT A NEW HOUSE LATELY? IT IS EXPENSIVE. WE NEED THE 3 SCHOOLS AND I FOR ONE DON'T MIND THE TAXES GOING UP TO PAY FOR IT AT LEAST I WILL NO WHAT THE INCREASE WILL BE USED FOR INSTEAD OF THEM GOING UP ALL THE TIME FOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I AGREE, COME SPEND A DAY @ CMS WHEN THE STOMACH FLU IS GOING AROUND AND THE KIDS HAVE TO PUKE IN A BATHROOM IN THE TRAILER FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR. IT IS MISERABLE I THINK THE KIDS ARE THE ONES WE SHOULD THINK OF AFTER ALL THEY ARE OUR FUTURE. SOME PEOPLE REALLY MAKE ME MAD THAT HAVE NO KIDS, GRANDKIDS, OR EVEN LIVE IN THE DISTRICT TO COMPLAIN. GET A LIFE PEOPLE COME ON.
3/3/2009
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Nobody is saying they don't need to build a school. What they ARE saying is they don't need a school as big as they are proposing - especially since enrollment has been declining.
3/3/2009
Western KS girl says....
763 students sounds like the perfect size for a school. In my area, many people think anything around 200 total enrollment is perfect. They do not realize the educational opportunities their children are missing out on. do what you have to do to preserve your school and be glad you have that many students.
3/3/2009
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As an alumni of Chapman, I too agree that the students deserve to have a new school. However, I disagree with what the Board of Education has to offer. The schools that they are proposing are excessive. I want to make sure that the Chapman District is sustainable for the next 50-100 years for my children and grandchildren to attend. It is a great district, but the schools that have been proposed will eventually drag the district down. It is important to remember that we are in an economic hardship, and people are not going to be able to afford to pay the taxes on those buildings. Not to mention, with cuts coming from the State all the time, the District is going to have a hard time meeting their bill requirements. These buildings will REQUIRE the District to carry 54 million dollars in insurance money. This bill alone is great compared to what the District was paying before. It is also going to cost more to heat and cool these bigger buildings. I do feel sorry for the students and staff that are having to deal with these problems day in and day out, and DO want to make sure they have a school. Maybe the students and staff should talk to the Board of Education and ask them to bring something to the table that is economically sound and sustainable for the District, so that not only our kids, but our children's kids can continue to receive the awesome education that only Chapman can provide.
3/3/2009
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for those of you who strongly disagree that chapman does not need a school obviously has not visited or experienced what the students and the staff are going through each and every day and not for a few months but for a couple of years. do you have any idea how difficult it is on the students because they have to carry all their books, homework from BLOCK TO BLOCK. not hall to hall where they would have shelter from the elements of the weather. they have to be extra careful because of the ice, sleet, snow, rain, or whatever kansas weather has to offer any particular given day. imagine you have to walk 2 blocks to the kitchen, another 2 blocks to use the bathroom, another 2 blocks to the table to eat your food, another 2 blocks to watch television, another 2 blocks to go to bed in the ice, sleet, rain, snow or a sunny day that turns out to be very cold. This is what the students go through daily and will be for the next 2 years. Imagine having to put on your coat, hat, gloves, scarf, bookbag (full of books), homework in another arm and you would like to be able to have an umbrella if its raining so your homework does not get wet. If those of you had any idea what the students and the staff are dealing with each and every day you would not be so quick to say Chapman does not need a school. Walk in the students shoes for a day and please make sure its a day when the north wind is blowing very cold air, sleeting, icy, and carry your books and homework and you can not be late for class either. CHAPMAN NEEDS MORE THAN ONE SCHOOL! IT HAS BEEN OVER CROWDED FOR QUITE SOME TIME!!!
3/1/2009
JC says....
75 million dollars for 763 students. Excessive.
2/27/2009
jc says....
340,000 square feet of schools for 763 student is excessive. Won't be able to pay the utility bills.
2/27/2009
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Chapman students deserve classrooms that are safe and permanent. The modular classrooms are temporary and not meant to be used long-term. Children are our future.
2/26/2009
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Anyone who is against should spend a day in the life of a CMS or CHS student wait for a cold misty day or just a day of constant rain it's tough or walk 2 blocks in between classes. The kids need a school-enough said!
2/26/2009
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Our children deserve permanent safe structures not modulars.
2/26/2009
DBW says....
Why not build permanent Modulars fast and nice new structures
2/26/2009
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To all: Please see the investigative report on the school bond referendum at KansasMeadowlark.com http://kansasmeadowlark.com/2009/03/25/chapman-to-spend-80000-per-student-to-rebuild/#more-2257
3/25/2009
EAS, Chapman says....
Having had all four of our children and a daughter-in-law (4th generation)graduate from Chapman, I can honestly say that we have a great school system. Every school system has good and bad points. In a three to five year period (1989-1994 I think) Chapman graduated six students that went on to become physicians. Not bad for a small country school!!!! Two of our children are in law enforcement and two are in the medical field. Not bad either. We need our schools rebuilt. THe schools and churches are the heart of this community and I agree with others that without these, there will not be a Chapman. $8.2 million is pretty inexpensive for three schools. Having experienced damage from the tornado I have found that as time goes by, it has become very necessary to get my life in some sense of order. Our children need that also. Modulars are not the answer. I work in a modular on Ft. Riley and it's not a picnic when the wind picks up. The simple fact is -We need the schools, so VOTE YES.
3/25/2009
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"A 6.8-mill levy translates to $3.26 a month for a $50,000 home, $4.89 a month for a $75,000 home and $6.52 a month for a home valued at $100,000, according to the district." Does this sound anything remotely like the true figures based on a 6.8 millage? This is how a 6.8 mill levy actually "translates": $50,000 (minus 20,000 exemption) times .0068 = $204 per year $100,000 (minus 20,000 exemption) times .0068 = $544 per year $200,000 (minus 20,000 exemption) times .0068 = $1,224 per year
3/23/2009
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To Go Chapman: The HILL location was not decided because of FEMA. Ask them at the public meetings coming up. The HILL location was decided by a select few. The Elementary and Middle School could and should be built together where they were. FEMA approves if that's our choice.
3/6/2009
C/73 says....
I graduated from Chapman High in 1973. I have been an educator in Eastern North Carolina for 30 years. I credit my successes to the excellent education I received so many years ago. From what I have read, 85% of the rebuilding costs will be paid by taxpayers across the country, like myself. That money WILL be spent somewhere. Why not put it into rebuilding the CHAPMAN schools? I have been so proud of your community's response after the tornado. You picked yourselves up, and got busy rebuilding, instead of waiting for someone else to do it for you (like in New Orleans). Now it is time to provide for the education of your most precious resource and the hope for your future. You have the history of providing excellent education. It would be short-sighted to build barely-adequate buildings that will not meet the needs in a few years. It would also be futile to try to duplicate the old buildings, as they would not meet the latest buliding codes. Please remember that this is not just an expenditure; it is an investment. It will benefit your community, as well as the communities of those who have spread out across the country after graduation.
3/6/2009
Looking At Numbers says....
Please talk this over with "Grandma." You mentioned she has a house, so let's assume here she has a house worth $75,000. So, with the current 8.2 bond, her increase would be $60 a year/$5 a month. Now, let's say for the sake of argument, we would cut $10 million off the plan (NO WAY could we do that but let's just say for now)--that would bring the bond to 6.7. Grandma's increase would be $49 per year/$4 a month for her $75,000 house. Did you see that--you only save Grandma $12 ($1 per month) by cutting $10 million from our kids. There is NO WAY we could cut that much, and by cutting any less, we save minimal amounts. THE BOND FOR 8.2 IS THE BEST DEAL WE WILL HAVE!
3/6/2009
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The school district can NOT cut the size of the classrooms, libraries or cafeterias. They HAVE TO BE BUILT TO FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINES if the school board is to use state and federal money. The old school didn't have these worries because it was built 70 years ago before the regulations where in place. But times have changed. There are new laws like the handicapped accessibility rights and other codes that now have to be met. Please do not believe that by voting NO on the bond issue that the school board will somehow be able to redesign the buildings and save millions of dollars. This isn't true! You can not build anything without it meeting current regulations.
3/6/2009
The Syko One says....
Had Chapman NOT had a tornado roar through, they would not be wanting new schools. But a tornado DID go through town. I see no way around it. Chapman is a big enough school district that their students cannot be absorbed by the surrounding districts, without the surrounding districts having to enlarge their facilities. Permanent modulars, I love that one. Basically amounts to taking a trailer house and screwing it to the ground. In the event of another tornado, the anchor bolts stay put, but the rest of the structure is blown apart. Great thinking there, DBW. As for increasing the size of the buildings, if you are starting from scratch on new structures, it only costs a bit more to add to the square footage. If you build only what you need now and need to add on more square footage down the road, you are going to be spending a lot more for the additional space.
3/6/2009
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It was wonderfull to see after the tornado how a community can rally in a time of a diaster. As much gratitude and pride that I could see then, is now being torn apart due to the fact of a community/district that is going to battle over a bond issue. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please let the FACTS be why you choose your opinion! Not a personal agenda. When Extreme Makeover came to Chapman and help rebuild, a lot of pride and respect went out through the nation to show how not only Chapman residents but how all Kansas's and others who live out of State can help. How do you think that those same viewers would think of us now if they were to show how divided we have become. Now is not the time to dig a hole, crawl in and hide. People always want to know why we can never get college grads to come back to a community that they have left? Time to wake up people! Not only do our kids depend on this but our FUTURE depends on this. Try to remember the past is the pat and all we can do is look forward to the future and I can honestly hope that on the 8th of April our kids can smile again!!!
3/6/2009
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Rural Center comment - I understand your thinking and it makes sense. The only thing with that is will you just want to have a land transfer again when Abilene attempts to build their new HS with no FEMA aid so the bond is 100% of the cost? Also, what about the people out there that still have kids in Chapman and want to support us and our 15% investment. I definitely see concern both ways.
3/6/2009
concerned says....
"Hill" comment. I think there was a vote last month about shuttle bus service to elementary if needed.
3/6/2009
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If you would have been following the school board meetings, you would have realized that the school board has already decided to have a pickup point for town students where the old elementary building was and will bus them to the new elementary school located at the top of the hill. To the Rural Center patron, I sympathize with your situation. I live IN Abilene but my kids go to Chapman because I feel it provides a much better education. So I am paying high taxes to their schools to help with their renovations they have just completed and will for the expansions they want to add to the other schools as well. It will be interesting to see if Abilene will want to pass a bond issue for a new high school once Chapman passes their bond. If Abilene does, you can bet it will be more than 8 million dollars.
3/6/2009
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Has anyone thought about their Grandma in this situation. For me, my Grandma lives in the country and is on a VERY limited income. How is the older generation supposed to be able to afford the extra taxes with the rising cost of food and medical care. Maybe you would say that she needs to move. I have thought about that as well, however; finding someone to purchase her house when the taxes are higher than other places is not going to be easy. I want to make sure that my Grandma can maintain paying for her house as well as the new schools. Board of Education and Administration....I plead with you to cut the plans (which I have seen) in the areas of gyms, cafeterias, libraries. Don't eliminate them, just make them smaller and help the community. The Community DOES want to support you, please do the same for them.
3/6/2009
Go Chapman says....
To the person that wonders about bussing students to the "HILL"- if you would attend a school board meeting, you would know that YES, students will have a bus to take them to the new site of Chapman Elementary. (A site that had to be used because of FEMA regulations, by the way. The school had to be placed out of the flood plain, so putting it on a "HILL" was the only choice.)
3/6/2009
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OK, I know that Chapman MUST rebuild the schools if the town is to survive. If you were in Chapman shortly after the tornado, the destruction of the schools would have broken your heart. I have had kids who went to school there and loved many more of the students which weren't my kids. However, I am a homeowner in the Rural Center area. A lot of talk here about closing RC since all their kids go elsewhere anyways. So, please, close RC, but before you do this area should adopt a land transfer in the servicing district to which the majority of the students attend school (I believe that is Abilene). Then, those of us in the RC area will not have a vote in regards to the bond issue for a district in which our kids to not attend school and our monies can be spent in the Abilene district to update the schools where our children receive their education instead.
3/6/2009
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To all the people who are wondering about paying a few more dollars on you taxes and to ex-chapman resident, Are you from another planet or what???? Because the last I knew no matter where people live as long as you work and don't sit back and wait for a hand out you HAVE TO PAY TAXES. Even business owners outside of Chapman have to pay taxes. I'm sure those business owners will vote yes because what they have built and worked for their whole lives will be gone if the Bond Issue does not pass. Junction City built a new High School for what 33 million, Salina renovated 2 schools several years ago for 99 million, and a new water park for 12.5 million, and a new swimming pool in Abilene for what 15 million and the list goes on and on so don't tell us our children have it to easy compared to other generations. We all do because times change, some for the better or worse. I don't feel that 8.2 million for 3 new schools for a good quality education is giving too much to our children compared to other figures mentioned. So we don't care what you or anyone else have to say, I vote "YES" and no one in their right mind who lives in Chapman should be worried about breaking their "BANK" to give our children good quality education in a good small home town "OUR FIGHTING IRISH TOWN". Unfortunately we had a tornado and the future of Chapman and our children should not be punished for it. Talk about a crisis, this town will turn into a ghost town. Without schools people will not move here and others will lose their jobs and move away. Who will buy their homes so can can live elsewhere? Some of the square footage is being increased because some of it was shared like the kitchen, cafateria, library and gymnasium. Only staff I'm sure that will be hired will be to cover those areas and that means fewer unemployed people in the community. Stop bickering over a few dollars you will have to spend on taxes here to rebuild and think about the future of our children. They can't stay in the modulars, they are only temporary. They need hallways, need to stay warm and dry and not have to walk several blocks every hour to get to class. We don't want our children to go to Junction City or Abilene, we want them to go to Chapman, that's why we chose to live here. So some of you negative people just need to get over it and VOTE YES!!!!!
3/5/2009
says....
I appreciate the 6-1 vote from the Chapman School Board for helping us get to vote on a bond! Thank you very much to the 6 board members and admin. who care about our kids! Pay attention who is looking out for our children's future when you vote April 7th - I encourage you to vote for the board members who have the foresight and don't join in on negative groups. GO IRISH!!!!!!
3/5/2009
?????? says....
PEOPLE,PEOPLE......think about the "HILL" that a new school will be built on.......will the kids that all walked to the middle school be bused up to the "HILL"????? I would hope that has all been taken into consideration.
3/5/2009
Please think before you post- says....
For the poster who stated that the 85% is tax money....you are correct. THE NATIONS TAX DOLLARS. How nice it will be to see our money (along with everyone else in this country who pays taxes), to be spent here. And guess what, those tax dollars have already been collected and will continue to be collected whether we had a tornado or not.
3/5/2009
Fact finder: says....
Closing outlying schools? You are trying to scare voters. Please look at the plans online people. I see 2 classrooms for each grade in the plans for the Chapman elementary. Ya right, the schools want to now put all students in the elementary grades into just two classrooms. My child is in 5th grade. I called the Superintendents office after reading this comment...there are 63 students in the 5th grade district wide. Do you honestly think they want 32 kids in a classroom? There obviously needs to be an IQ test for people to post on this site. You did mention one thing that we all should be thinking about though, talk about wasting money....What does it cost to run Rural Center with their 20+ kids each year?
3/5/2009
ex-chapman resident says....
to Irish Forever and others: I have had an interesting time reading the comments posted on the proposed new schools. I no longer live in Chapman and so you may think I have no right to place my comment here. You asked what would change in lives without Chapman and its schools. Let me get straight to it: I would have a live and loving daughter who I could spend time with and who would be raising her own daughter. How is that for a comment? And to say that people who are against anything that is proposed by a local, state or federal governments should keep quiet about it is proposterous. Go live in communist China and find out what it is like to voice a disagreement. We live in the U.S. and have a right to give our own opinions. This is healthy and necessary for the life we have. I have not seen one single comment from anyone that says Chapman does not need to rebuild the schools. The difference in opinions appears to be in the cost - and if you are a homeowner or business owner in Chapman - you will be paying for the new school and certainly have a right to voice your opinion. Our kids today are treated very well, better than any prior generation. I am not going to say I don't love our kids and want them to succeed in life, but I also want to say that the older generation should not break the bank and have nothing to live on after retirement because of trying to give kids "everything" they ask for now. I don't see too many of those kids taking in their ailing parents and grandparents to repay them for the older generation's sacrifices. Also, no one "owes" teachers anything either. Teachers get a pretty darn good salary for what they do - they aren't doing it for free. So like me (I work) and everyone else who works, your salary is your thanks. Since I no longer live in Chapman, I am not going to comment on the cost vs space of the proposed schools, even tho my federal tax dollars and my state tax dollars will go to help pay for the costs.
3/5/2009
JIRISH says....
FACT: A five year old child will learn the same from an hour bus ride as the same from a 15 minute bus ride. "Cowboy up?" Excuse me but we already have to deal with enough already. I will Cowboy up but I don't want to see others go through stuff that I had to. FACT: Modulars can only hold up for so long they are temporary!
3/5/2009
Chapman student says....
Oh and the person who mentioned to cowboy up...you obviously need to grow up. You spend a day in my shoes..
3/5/2009
other senior says....
My grandpa, grandma, aunts,uncles, and mom have all graduated from Chapman. This May, its my turn. first of all we are not paying $75 million, we are paying $8.2 million. getting 85% of the cost payed for is a good deal. Council grove just recently passed a bond to REMODEL their school. We got hit by a tornado, which happened to go over my house while I sat in the basement praying. The old schools needed updated. There was asbestos which was a health hazard. The cost for a person in Chapman will be $45 per $100,000 of assessed value. The average value in Chapman is $80,000. thats roughly $35. Why cant we pay $35 a year for 3 NEW SCHOOLS? On top of that, what happens to the property value of our homes if the school doesnt get built? IT WILL GO DOWN. not to mention the employees of our school who make up a good part of this community will loose jobs. What about the kids in the outline schools? What about the kids in the Middle and High School? Where will we go to school? Abilene isnt big enough to add 733 people. We have always been a strong community. We NEED TO BE STRONG NOW WHEN WE NEED IT MOST. for everyone complaining about the enrollment numbers why do u think we are building a bigger school? more room to get those numbers up. VOTE YES
3/5/2009
Chapman student says....
Have any of you negative people even seen the plans? The classes are all the same...there aren't going to be any new classes and their won't be a need for more teachers. The classes physically are going to be bigger. If you haven't seen the plans, pick up a copy of the Dickinsion, its there.
3/5/2009
Chapman Senior says....
For those of you who think we're building "Excessive", take a look at the plans. We are not adding anything we did not have before. FEMA will not help pay for anything we did not have before. For those of you who think we should "cowboy up" or get permanant modulars.. you're obviously a adult who has no clue what this is like. Why don't you get your Rear out here and walk about two miles everyday in the FREEZING cold. Cowboy up huh? Want us to just deal with the rain? How well are we supposed to deal when we are soaked. Literally from head to toe. You people are obviously clueless. IF you vote no, you're only hurting yourself. If the bond doesn't pass now, within a few years, there will be another one, only there will be NO funds to help us pay. See how much you like to pay your taxes then. People, It is common sense to vote yes,and get these schools underway.These students deserve a SCHOOL with HALLWAYS and an office in a central location. Building permanent modulars is a JOKE. If these schools don't get built, you might as well pick up and move now, because your good ol town of Chapman is gonna disappear.
3/5/2009
JIRISH says....
Hello everyone, If you haven't noticed this is the bond issue this is the final draft. As a student and might I add a senior of Chapman I don't mind walking in harsh weather but here is something to think about, Chapman schools are what hold the town together. 75 million dollars isn't anything that is mentioned its 8.2 million. Do you know how much a school from the ground up costs? We aren't remodeling anything we aren't knocking down a old school to put up a new one. We are BUILDING a new school because of a TORNADO. We didn't say we wanted one, it HAPPENED.
3/5/2009
Cowboystudent says....
Hey, negative people...are you on crack?
3/5/2009
irishman says....
The increaced employment is with construction jobs and all of the jobs related working on the schools. That money is then trickled down in areas other than Chapman. I am not sure you seen construction or the economy lately. But the future of either looks good right now. I did not say the school was going to hire more people.
3/5/2009
says....
We arent paying 75 million dollars. we are paying 8.2 AND the new schools will be more effecient
3/5/2009
LAB says....
I just had to laugh when I read the "Cowboy up" comment!! I'm proud that Chapman has met standards on their testing...I don't know if Abilene can say the same? From what I have heard they have not the past two years...so if that is your way to "cowboy up" then you live exactly where you should. By the way, what about the 4 million dollar bond the city has for your swimming pool. How much is that costing? So good for for "cowboying up"!! I can say Thank God I'm Irish:)
3/5/2009
irishman says....
If you truly think they will close Blue Ridge, Enterprise and Rural Center. Then you should look at the plans again. We will need a bigger Elementary school in Chapman. You are correct Rural Center need to be closed. It is only being kept open from the kindness of the districts heart. Everyone knows 95% of those kids at RC will go elsewhere. No way what they have proposed for the new grade school could even handle Enterprise grade school enrollment. Get out and visit the schools. I think the people you are getting your information from are not acurate. Yes enrollment is down since 92-93. But what rural school West of a Manhattan has not dropped in enrollment. Who's Insurance premiums are not going up. Every thing has been looked at by the admin. The "NO" voters are making this a vendetta against this administration. Granted you may not agree with the board or super. But if you have ever dealt with the Government. You know you can not count on funding all of the time. Yes 8.2 million is alot. You vote NO now and how hard are you going to yell when the next bond comes about. They take out 20,000sf and we have to pay 39 million. You sure you want to take that chance.
3/5/2009
says....
It's funny that some people would think that the Chapman school board is going to close down the outlying schools just because they are building a new elementary school. I've seen the plans and if I am not mistaken, there are only going to be the same number of classrooms that the old elementary school had. It would seem that if it was indeed their intention to close down the outlying schools that they would have four classrooms per grade in the plan instead of the usual two. Yes, I can see Rural Center closing in the near future but that is because the entire elementary only has around 24 students and most of them end up going to Abilene anyway. That doesn't have anything to do with the new school being built or this bond issue. It has to do with the fact fewer people living in that area are sending their students to Rural Center to begin with. As for JC's comment about the number of staff, I also have not heard nor have I seen anywhere the fact that the school board is going to hire a lot of additional staff when the buildings are built. Why should they? There is not going to be anymore classrooms than what was there before. The only difference is that the classrooms are going to be bigger so that they comply with state and federal guidelines. There will be an additional library/gym/ and cafeteria in the elementary school but I have not heard of any additional staff being hired for those areas. Personally, I feel that they will take the staff that is currently already employed and move them into those positions. AT the most, you may see some part-time staff become full-time but as for needing a lot of additional staff just because the square footage is increased is not true. To the person who wrote about the total cost of the bond issue once interest is figured in failed to acknowledge that there will be state money in the future to help pay the interest payments. So your figures are wrong. Please look over your facts again. Plus, what do you think the cost of the schools would be if we waited 20 years to build them? For the people who honestly believe that if they vote NO that the school district would somehow find areas they can cut to make things cheaper are dreaming. Where should they cut? Should they take out the extra gym so you can literally pay a few pennies less and then realize the need and have to pay full-price down the road? Or maybe they should cut out some of the at-risk classrooms because those students are not "important". Do you honestly think building supplies are going to be cheaper if the school waited a few years? Ask Herington people what happened when they failed to pass their first bond issue. Answer: the price of the bond keeps increasing due to rising cost of construction. Let's really think this through....It will cost the district, and the local tax payers, MORE down the road if the bond issue doesn't pass the first time. This is mainly due to the fact the district will have to assume the full cost of the mobile units plus the expense of a special election. Think this through people!!!! We need to vote YES now while we still have the 85% off offer.
3/5/2009
other senior says....
anyone who doesnt want this to pass is ignorant. How about you come walk from class to class at the high school on a day when it is 5 degrees out with the wind blowing 15mph. Then maybe you can understand a little. We are getting a deal that is basically unheard of. 85% already paid for and we are being so greedy that we dont want to shell out the other 15% and be supportive of our community. Everyone knows that if these schools dont get built, our community will dissipate. Vote Yes
3/5/2009
says....
Looks like one or two people have spent a lot of time trying to list doubts, so it looks like many. I guess if you want to spend your time campaigning against Chapman kids, that's your option. Pretty sad.
3/5/2009
says....
I guess if you feel okay voting against Chapman's youth...then you will vote no. Some of us care about Chapman rebuilding, and the quality of the kids' education. That's why we'll be voting YES!!!
3/5/2009
Kids are Important says....
Fact: Enrollment is down. So what? We now have 18-25 students in our classrooms instead of 25-30. Those are PERFECT numbers! Glad you shared that fact with us!
3/5/2009
Get Real says....
Stop spreading malicious lies! It is not in the plan to close any of our outlying schools and bring them to Chapman! Have you seen the plans for the new Chapman Elementary School? There is no room for children from the outlying buildings! The new elementary is not this grand, huge building. It is the same classroom space as before. Get your facts straight!
3/5/2009
says....
PLEASE attend USD 473 informational meetings. STOP the rumors! This is getting out of hand! We are a district TOGETHER! This benefits us ALL!
3/5/2009
says....
The time to rebuild is NOW! Vote YES!
3/5/2009
Common Sense says....
$14,473,575.00 is going to be the total cost after interest is added? WOW- that is even a better deal than I thought! Three buildings and an educational center for under 15 million. That is AWESOME! We all know that you don't have a bond without interest, but if that figure is correct- then it is better than we could have hoped for! Thanks for pointing that out!
3/5/2009
says....
To Irish Forever- Just wondering about your comment, "If you didn't deal with the every day issues we had and have now then you have no say because you were not here and you don't know." Does this mean that the taxpayers of the District that are not employed by the District do not matter? Their votes don't count? Maybe you would like to cover the total cost. Your additional 80.04 for your $100,000 house per year is nothing compared to what some of the land owners in your district will pay. Some individuals have determined that this bond will cost them $15,000 to $30,000 more over the life of this bond. I bet some farmers could plant a lot of food, that we all will be eating, with that amount of money.
3/5/2009
says....
Blue Ridge, Enterprise, & Rural Center schools will be closed when the new buildings open. The district won't admit this, but it's the plan. How does all the patrons feel about having a 5 yr old on a bus for over an hour one way to school? What do you think this 5 year old will learn on the bus with the old students?
3/5/2009
says....
FACT: Buildings will have to be insured at or above the cost of the grant per Bob Wilhelm. How much will this cost? Is this in the budget?
3/4/2009
says....
FACT: District Enrollment for 1992-93 = 1340 Enrollment for 2008-09 = 988
3/4/2009
says....
No one is against the 73,300 square feet of classroom and educational space in the building plans. It's the 169,000 square feet that's not classroom and educational space that needs to be rethought. The only option we have is to vote NO and hope for a new plan next time.
3/4/2009
says....
Yes, you do have it tough, no doubt. However; there is what is called "making the best of a bad situation". You might try it. "Cowboy" up.
3/4/2009
JC says....
I am thinking of the children and the schools and the education. If we can't afford to hire the staff to fill the new buildings, the quality of the education isn't going to exist. The Kansas City School District gave notice to 150-200 employees that as of June 30th they will be unemployed. The Newton School District cancelled classes for a day to find ways to cut the expenses. The Chapman plans are to build big. What happens when we can't afford the extra staff to run the big buildings? No one is against new buildings. We're against the size and cost of the buildings. We want to be able to afford the staff and expenses of the new buildings. The only way to make the district re-examine their plans is to vote NO.
3/4/2009
Irish Forever says....
OMG-you negative people need to get a grip. Do you really want to talk economy here? Are you willing to raise the unemployment by another 240 people? I understand that you want to be reasonable so let's be reasonable. The sq footage makes no difference when you have an efficient utlility system. If you didn't deal with the every day issues we had and have now then you have no say because you were not here and you don't know. Questions are good? Facts are better. Negative comments are best kept to yourself just like your mother told you. Our enrollment would be higher if we had actual schools. People call everyday asking when the new schools will be finished. They want their kids to have the best quality education and that is right here in Chapman, KS. I don't drive 30 minutes one way every day just for the fun of it. We owe it to our teachers who make a difference in the lives of Chapman students every day. We owe it to our children for their future and for all the future generations to come. I know the economy is tough and it may not get better any time soon but are you really willing to sacrifice a child's future? A teacher's job? A town? Tell me what will your life be without Chapman and it's schools. Maybe nothing if you live in Junction or Salina. But to many of us it would be more devastating than the actual tornado. It doesn't matter if you own your own business, farm, or just live in this great town. IT WILL COME BACK TO BITE YOU IF YOU VOTE NO!!! You get chances in life to make a difference, so make one. Make the difference in a child's future and VOTE YES! Chapman will come back better and stronger. You just have to vote "YES"!!!!!!!
3/4/2009
Chapman student says....
I am a senior at Chapman High School. No adult knows (besides Chapman educators) what it's like...walking from class to class day to day. The biggest day that I can remember is the day it poured down rain. All of my books were soaked, and I felt miserable the whole day. We came into class looking like drowned rats. Now, yes I will not be in a high school when I graduate, but I would give anything to step into my old high school again. Its not the same. I was in a high school for three years and then my senior year, the year I'm supposed to love, is completely different. Please vote yes on April 7th...it means the world to students in the Chapman school district. I hope to eventually come back to Chapman and have my kids go to school here, but if this bond doesn't pass my dream could possibly change. Students want a school. We want that feel of a high school. We are Chapman...VOTE YES!
3/4/2009
says....
85% tax "free." Where do you think the money is coming from? Those are TAX DOLLARS. Economics 101 will tell you, that at the moment, this economy cannot sustain this bond.
3/4/2009
says....
The next "Field of Dreams" - Chapman, KS I don't think so!
3/4/2009
KPS says....
Yes, and I'd like to know who is going to clean the grease traps!!
3/4/2009
says....
to irishman: How is the district going to pay for the increase in jobs???
3/4/2009
says....
For all of those individuals that are talking about the cost of the maintenance of the new schools as compared to the old.....Has the Board of Education or the Administration of the District provided you with any of those numbers? I would like to know the facts.
3/4/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
For more information and to view plans, go to www.usd473.net Also, there are informational meetings scheduled for March 23-26. But most importantly, make your vote count April 7!
3/4/2009
irishman says....
You people talk like USD 473 would not have to pay utilies at the OLD less efficient schools. We have a chance to Better the schools without excess. You act like we doubled the size of each school. If you ever tried to manuver a wheel chair in the OLD Grade school in Chapman you would realize it needed more space. You talk about the economy, think of all of the jobs this will increace. That will help the economy, the community and the county. Please Vote YES, you will not get a better chance to build the schools at this rate.
3/4/2009
Irish Aunt and Mom says....
My heart goes out to the juniors and seniors at CHS. They have had many traditions taken away from them. Although the school has done everything they can to keep the traditions continuing - the settings are different. Many of these kids have had parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles graduate from Chapman and they looked forward to having the senior bench, performing their Class Night in the auditorium and walking the halls just like those before them did. The seniors will be graduating soon and moving on, however the juniors will be back and the modulars will still be there. I am sure this is frustrating for them. We MUST REBUILD OUR SCHOOLS so that we can get back the normalcy these kids need. Fortunately, this too shall pass and the kids that are juniors now will look back on this time and see it as a "moment" that made them stronger individuals. Vote YES on April 7th!!
3/4/2009
VOTE YES says....
Are you kidding me? There is nothing excessive about investing in a child's education! This is not 1935 anymore! Classrooms have to be built bigger to meet codes, house more technology, and simply hold more "stuff." Chapman schools did not ask for a tornado to wipe out their buildings. They simply want to rebuild back what they had and so what if they get a few new things along the way. They deserve it!
3/4/2009
mcirish says....
The grade school addition dates back to 1950's. The junior high was outgrown in the 1960's and new separate classrooms had to be built. The high school was the most up-to-date and it was finished in the early 60's. Chapman has an excellent reputation and record for education their youth. They have made do with keeping up with the educational laws and needs in 40-50 year old buildings. Give them what they deserve - VOTE YES!
3/4/2009
Fighting Irish Alumni says....
YES for the youth in the Chapman area - this impacts the ENTIRE district area! YES for the children! YES for quality education! YES for the students and staff! Lastly, for the few people who think it is excessive - get real 85% OFF - also do your research and look at the plans! Believe in education and kids!
3/3/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
For all those concerned about "square footage"--look at the plans (not the number). What would you cut?! And the BIG quesition, who much would it save?! We still have to pay 15% of the cost! I've looked at the plans; I've read the information; I've listened to the FEMA report. I'm informed and I am voting YES, YES, YES for the plans as they stand.
3/3/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
There have been several comments about our District's enrollment. Currently, we have 963 kids in our district, of those 756 are in modular/temporary classrooms, and this impacts the future education of ALL those children. Interesting that despite a tornado, despite having modular classrooms, our enrollment INCREASED this year over last year's enrollment. You can't predict the future, but the town of Chapman is growing; Fort Riley is expanding; new schools will attract families. If you ask any of the families who rebuilt in Chapman or any of the families just moved to Irish Acres, "Why did you choose Chapman?"--the response will be the same: THE SCHOOLS! Our district has an incredible opportunity for GROWTH!
3/3/2009
Vote YES says....
FACT: The Chapman School District will get 85% of the bond paid for (FEMA 75%, State 10%) if it passed on April 7th. Talk about a deal. Who in their right mind would turn this down? FACT: If the bond fails, FEMA does not have to continue helping and may pull their funding. WHY RISK THIS???? FACT: The schools ARE NOT fluff! They are replacements for what was lost. The added square footage is necessary to meet FEMA guidelines along with current building codes. Look at the plans and not over coffee with the debbie downers that make it their life goal to not support anything! FACT: There will be maintenance and upkeep on the new buildings. Is that a surprise? Has anyone looked into the cost of the maintenance and upkeep of the “old” buildings? It was astronomical! The new building will be energy efficient which may actually result in lower costs. FACT: Chapman did not ask for this tornado to destroy the schools. It happened and now it is time to deal with it like grown ups. Nobody likes higher taxes. Hey, nobody likes tornados, but they happen. So, it’s time to take care of our kids and give them back their schools! FACT: Someone will write back to this and say how they aren’t “against” the schools, they just want to make sure the money is well spent. We are spending 15% of the total cost for this project. How is that not money well spent? There is no grey area here: You are either for the schools or against them. VOTE YES and be with them!
3/3/2009
says....
For all of those "excessive" people, tell me what about the buildings is excessive. I've sat in on board meetings, site council meetings, studied all of the plans and there is nothing that I can pick out that is "excessive". If you are talking about the footage of the schools, times have changed. Everything has to be bigger to accomodate all students these days. Each of the previous classrooms were under regulation when you consider that there are up to 30 students in most of the classrooms. None of the areas that we have now would be able to fit a consolidated school. If we move somewhere else FEMA will not help pay for the parts of the school that were saved. Building 3 schools in different areas of town is actually the most cost-efficient way to build. And the schools will be efficient. The school board and architects know what they are doing. Give them a break or you step up and design a school. Good luck.
3/3/2009
JCer says....
In reference to the comment of declining enrollment and need for smaller schools... I think I understand your reasoning, but it doesn't really work here. I thought the same thing and then checked it out myself. There is a set number of classes that must be offered having 12 students per class or 25 per class doesn't change that. The size of the classroom also can't change due to that fact. It would be really backward thinking to try and match the size of the classrooms to number of students in the class. How will you ever know how that will change. I for one would drive an additional 15 miles to take my kids to school if a district attempted to make a classroom small because at the time 15 students were going to use it each day instead of 20. The use of that kind of logic would scare me. I think common sense will prevail here.
3/3/2009
irishatheart says....
I keep seeing posting of excessive buildings. I don't think these few people have seen the building plans. I haven't seen extras in plans I have seen online. I have also heard administrators and teachers say over and over that what is being built is what we had. I would assume some classrooms would need to be larger. When someones says bigger, are they sure they are not counting duplicate rooms that were shared K - 8 before or special education rooms that were needed but the school didn't have. I haven't identified extra rooms on plans online. What are you talking about?? One other point. The old buildings were just that OLD. You are really making a leap to say that new construction even "bigger" construction won't be more efficient.
3/3/2009
LL says....
So spending 75 million dollars is excessive. What about 99 million spent just to RENOVATE two schools? That is the bond issue that passed for Salina in 2003.
3/3/2009
says....
DBW: come and take a look at the Modulars. They do NOT replace classrooms very effectively. Sorry but you just have no idea.
3/3/2009
says....
Build new schools, they will come!
3/3/2009
says... says....
Thanks to those of you that paid for my first two Children's building to educate them in at Chapman. Now it is my turn to pay for my last child's building to attend school in. I have land, a business, and a home in the Chapman School district and I am doing my part to see that my child and the other students at Chapman has a school building to attend. I hope you put education first and vote yes so the excellent school system at Chapman can continue.
3/3/2009
says....
I feel this article is misleading. If Chapman does not have the money from the bond, there will not be funds from FEMA; the school district must pay their 15% first before FEMA provides money for new construction!
3/3/2009
alum says....
As an alumnus of Chapman, I believe in this community. I plan to have my child attend in a few years. I believe in the rural atmosphere and the ag. programs made available; thus my commitment to this school district. Without permanent schools this community will become a ghost town. Secondly, our children deserve the best. If you're going to rebuild, why not make them the best? Why not build them to have the opportunity for growth in our community? The bond amount proposed is minimal when it comes to a child’s education. I don’t believe it’s the board of education that is the one planning the floor plan. There are requirements from FEMA that must be met. Furthermore, saving a few bucks here and there is not going to amount to anything in the big scheme of things. I’m willing to pay more for my child’s education, and I’m pretty sure I’m not the only parent out there that would think that. Enrollment has declined because there is no permanent facility. If new schools are not rebuilt, I’m not the only parent that would decide to send their child elsewhere. There was a new elementary school built in Junction City and the parents that have children attending ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! It has better technology, better classrooms and wouldn’t you think that with a new structure it will be more energy efficient = cost less? Our kids deserve the best of the best!
3/3/2009
sjs says....
We have families and students waiting to see if we are a community who supports our school district. If the bond passes, more students and families say they will come to Chapman. The proposed plan is not excessive but is a plan for the present and future needs of our district and is supported by expert opinions, not just the opinions of the school board. Council Grove just passed a bond to renovate one school building for the same amount of money we will have to pay to build three school buildings. Other districts find it unbelievable that anyone in our district would not support the opportunity we're being given. They wish they had a similar opportunity...without having to endure a tornado to receive it.
3/3/2009
says....
omg you stories are not as good as my grandmas...we walked 5 miles barefoot to school...use to always here that one.l.and they walk to 2 blocks to rooms and restrooms .ok they got it bad hah..anyway how are you going to afford such a big school to heat and cool it come on times are bad these days and they are only going to get worse
3/3/2009
KH says....
Only spending 8.2 million for 3 new schools that retail for 75+ million. That's a no brainer.
3/3/2009
says....
The maintennance on the old schools was outrageous!!! I'm sure those of you that are talking about how much it is going to cost have researched all of those costs, right? A little bit of advice...get the facts and go the the board meeetings and then make your comments.
3/3/2009
Irish Mom & Grad says....
The once beautiful, now destroyed, Chapman Elementary was built in 1935--in the heart of the Great Depression. District residents then knew the importance of an educational foundation, and think how many generations benefited from that building. Now, it is our turn to build for future generations. Although the schools are larger, they are not excessive--especially when you listen to rationale behind every decision. These designs are not something that has been thrown together overnight--work began in our district on June 12, the day after the tornado. These schools will be efficient and streamlined. I'm voting YES for my children; YES for the plans as they stand; YES for the future of our great community.
3/3/2009
says....
3 new schools for 15c on the dollar....no brainer. There will never be a cheaper alternative
3/3/2009
CG says....
To JC...have you ever had to build a school?? If not, then how do you know the size needed and the cost? Just curious...by the way how many square feet did you have in your school? If this doesn't pass it's not like we can go back to the drawing board and take the chance to lose funding. Will building materials not go up? What about the cost of the election to try and pass another bond? Maybe you should research your information before giving an opinion.
3/3/2009
says....
I AM SO SICK OF PEOPLE GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE OVER THE COST OF THE SCHOOLS!!! BUILT A NEW HOUSE LATELY? IT IS EXPENSIVE. WE NEED THE 3 SCHOOLS AND I FOR ONE DON'T MIND THE TAXES GOING UP TO PAY FOR IT AT LEAST I WILL NO WHAT THE INCREASE WILL BE USED FOR INSTEAD OF THEM GOING UP ALL THE TIME FOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I AGREE, COME SPEND A DAY @ CMS WHEN THE STOMACH FLU IS GOING AROUND AND THE KIDS HAVE TO PUKE IN A BATHROOM IN THE TRAILER FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR. IT IS MISERABLE I THINK THE KIDS ARE THE ONES WE SHOULD THINK OF AFTER ALL THEY ARE OUR FUTURE. SOME PEOPLE REALLY MAKE ME MAD THAT HAVE NO KIDS, GRANDKIDS, OR EVEN LIVE IN THE DISTRICT TO COMPLAIN. GET A LIFE PEOPLE COME ON.
3/3/2009
says....
Nobody is saying they don't need to build a school. What they ARE saying is they don't need a school as big as they are proposing - especially since enrollment has been declining.
3/3/2009
Western KS girl says....
763 students sounds like the perfect size for a school. In my area, many people think anything around 200 total enrollment is perfect. They do not realize the educational opportunities their children are missing out on. do what you have to do to preserve your school and be glad you have that many students.
3/3/2009
says....
As an alumni of Chapman, I too agree that the students deserve to have a new school. However, I disagree with what the Board of Education has to offer. The schools that they are proposing are excessive. I want to make sure that the Chapman District is sustainable for the next 50-100 years for my children and grandchildren to attend. It is a great district, but the schools that have been proposed will eventually drag the district down. It is important to remember that we are in an economic hardship, and people are not going to be able to afford to pay the taxes on those buildings. Not to mention, with cuts coming from the State all the time, the District is going to have a hard time meeting their bill requirements. These buildings will REQUIRE the District to carry 54 million dollars in insurance money. This bill alone is great compared to what the District was paying before. It is also going to cost more to heat and cool these bigger buildings. I do feel sorry for the students and staff that are having to deal with these problems day in and day out, and DO want to make sure they have a school. Maybe the students and staff should talk to the Board of Education and ask them to bring something to the table that is economically sound and sustainable for the District, so that not only our kids, but our children's kids can continue to receive the awesome education that only Chapman can provide.
3/3/2009
says....
for those of you who strongly disagree that chapman does not need a school obviously has not visited or experienced what the students and the staff are going through each and every day and not for a few months but for a couple of years. do you have any idea how difficult it is on the students because they have to carry all their books, homework from BLOCK TO BLOCK. not hall to hall where they would have shelter from the elements of the weather. they have to be extra careful because of the ice, sleet, snow, rain, or whatever kansas weather has to offer any particular given day. imagine you have to walk 2 blocks to the kitchen, another 2 blocks to use the bathroom, another 2 blocks to the table to eat your food, another 2 blocks to watch television, another 2 blocks to go to bed in the ice, sleet, rain, snow or a sunny day that turns out to be very cold. This is what the students go through daily and will be for the next 2 years. Imagine having to put on your coat, hat, gloves, scarf, bookbag (full of books), homework in another arm and you would like to be able to have an umbrella if its raining so your homework does not get wet. If those of you had any idea what the students and the staff are dealing with each and every day you would not be so quick to say Chapman does not need a school. Walk in the students shoes for a day and please make sure its a day when the north wind is blowing very cold air, sleeting, icy, and carry your books and homework and you can not be late for class either. CHAPMAN NEEDS MORE THAN ONE SCHOOL! IT HAS BEEN OVER CROWDED FOR QUITE SOME TIME!!!
3/1/2009
JC says....
75 million dollars for 763 students. Excessive.
2/27/2009
jc says....
340,000 square feet of schools for 763 student is excessive. Won't be able to pay the utility bills.
2/27/2009
says....
Chapman students deserve classrooms that are safe and permanent. The modular classrooms are temporary and not meant to be used long-term. Children are our future.
2/26/2009
says....
Anyone who is against should spend a day in the life of a CMS or CHS student wait for a cold misty day or just a day of constant rain it's tough or walk 2 blocks in between classes. The kids need a school-enough said!
2/26/2009
says....
Our children deserve permanent safe structures not modulars.
2/26/2009
DBW says....
Why not build permanent Modulars fast and nice new structures
2/26/2009
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